dick wrote:
SovereignHobbies wrote:
I have a memorandum stating they were the same shade, but .....
James, not sure what memorandum you are referring to but the relevant sentence in the relevant AFO does not include the word "shade" reading "...are in fact the same as..."
Also "shade" had a very specific meaning in WW2 RN usage - it meant the specific paint, G10, B55 or whatever.
Hi Richard. I might be mis-remembering (I have a lot on my mind just now) but I
thought we had a slightly vaguer worded one than the one Michael attached below. I'm away from my references at the moment and to be honest I wish I hadn't responded to this thread at all now, but it bothers me when suggestions are made (not by yourself, I hasten to add - you have been nothing but helpful!) that I don't care about what we're making. Were that the case I'd still be manufacturing the old grey B5 - and no having it on sale has cost me customers.
I hope we can reach a consensus (and by that I mean a set of measured colour values we can agree up) in the next couple of months as discussed outwith here
508medway wrote:
I think some of us believe wording such as the attached means they are the same colour. Also the formula for 507A & G10 are the same as is G45 & 507C.
Hi Michael, I forgot about that document. My apologies! I do have a copy on my hard drive at home but there are so many of these snippets going around that this one slipped my mind.
Tracy White wrote:
I'm not a RN paint expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I can absolutely confirm that it takes time to do proper research and to make sure you are not introducing MORE incorrect information into the human knowledge base. It's easier with this type of knowledge to know what's wrong than to know what's right.
This is it in a nutshell Tracy. I am convinced that evidence doesn't stack up in a number of cases, but am not yet ready to state what our position is on all of these colours. We (Richard, Michael, Sean, Lyndsay and myself) have a pretty good idea what B5 looks like. It was the first one that rang some alarm bells and the first one I personally focussed on. Know what it should look like isn't the same as being able to make new paint though - but I know where I can get an original (admittedly aged) sample that definitely was B5 to begin with (and that really is the nub of the issue here - I/we suspect some collected but perhaps un-labelled samples of colours were assigned to colour designations known to exist some decades ago but may have been misidentified) to measure and go from there.
I've also accepted that Colourcoats' 507C had drifted a little. I don't know when - we acquired no stock of this colour from WEM, nor did we get any references so at the time I had no frame of reference. It's also an isolated problem. I haven't yet seen an original 507C sample but Richard has, tells me it compares well with Snyder & Short (which I've bought in the time between buying Colourcoats and summer when we started digging in to this). I trust Richard so our latest batch in manufacture now is rematched to S&S.
What it boils down to is being a business. I expect no sympathy, understanding nor brand loyalty from customers if I diverge from Snyder & Short who are widely respected and still end up with colours that people find questionable, so I need to be comfortable I'm right and avoid making knee-jerk decisions