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 Post subject: pre-war navy grey
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:05 am 
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hello all !

as I begin my 1936 SARTOGA, is ther any clues about grey color before 1937 ? (before #5 standard navy grey)

thank you !

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 Post subject: Re: pre-war navy grey
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:22 pm 
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I've gone from WEM Colourcoats US01 #5 STANDARD NAVY GRAY in 14 ml tins to True North Enamels USN 1937 #5 STND NAVY GREY in 16 ml bottles . . . hope this helps.


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mister me wrote:
hello all !

as I begin my 1936 SARTOGA, is ther any clues about grey color before 1937 ? (before #5 standard navy grey)

thank you !

Same as it was after 1937 - standard navy grey. Steel decks deck grey, flight deck mahogany flight deck stain

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Let me try again. Confirming Martin's reply and this time answering your question directly, there are NO grey clues to Saratoga before 1937. According to Alan Raven's The Development of Naval Camouflage, Chapter IV, USN Inter-War research, the peacetime Navy adopted Standard Navy Gray #5 for vertical steel surfaces and Deck Gray #20 for horizontal steel surfaces. Some experiments were performed on a few DDs and SSs from 1934-38, prior to the major fleetwide changes in the 40s. My 1005 response is simply a personal model paint choice. Best wishes.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:16 am 
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ok thank you !

I will assume #5 grey is valid for 1936 even if "officially" only from 1937.

by the way, I managed to do my own acrylic mix that is pretty damn close (dont dare to say "spot on" even if I think it ! :big_grin: ) to my S&S chip !

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:11 am 
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mister me wrote:
I will assume #5 grey is valid for 1936 even if "officially" only from 1937.

Yes, that is correct.

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mister me wrote:
I will assume #5 grey is valid for 1936 even if "officially" only from 1937.


Officially from 1921 to 1941. Some ships wore the earlier slate "War Color" that dated to 1898 or so until the late 1920s but it was largely due to budget cuts after WWI.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:14 pm 
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Any Tamiya XF acrylic reasonably close to the #5 Standard Navy grey?


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Steve wrote:
Any Tamiya XF acrylic reasonably close to the #5 Standard Navy grey?


Come on guys! Still looking for some help!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:04 am 
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You limited yourself to Tamiya. If there's not already some sort of match on the web there either isn't a good match or there aren't enough ship modelers doing that niche to have figured out a mix. Mixing and making formulas is one of my least favorite things to do and I have no problem jumping companies or types of paint, so I have no personal experience that will help you.

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Using the same browser, and comparing colors side by side, Tamiya XF54 Dark Sea Gray looks very close to S&S Standard Navy Gray #5 (1937).
https://www.sunwardhobbies.ca/tamiya-ac ... grey-gray/
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 Post subject: Re: pre-war navy grey
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:49 am 
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Unfortunately there are different online depictions of that XF54 Dark Sea Grey - note Tamiya's official site shows it to be considerably darker than that shown on Sunward's site: https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/81754/index.htm

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 Post subject: Re: pre-war navy grey
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:07 pm 
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It looks like it's pretty pointless to suggest, or research, a particular color based on internet images. I Googled several sites for Tamiya paint and they all showed different qualities and shades of the same colors - the same would apply to any brand of paint. Best thing to do is go to the LHS and compare colors to an accurate chip, unfortunately, paint colors don't always correspond exactly to the bottle cap.
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