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 Post subject: HMS TAMAR
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 4:13 pm 
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Gentlemen,

The Offshore Patrol Vessel, HMS TAMAR has recently been painted up; to some "fanfare" in the United Kingdom media, with a scheme described as a pattern of "dazzle," though I do have my doubts as to whether it is actually a "dazzle" pattern. It is not known whether this is an official design or one that is the brain child of someone with an eye to getting the ship noticed.

However, can James Duff confirm that he has the colours in his "range" or can give us the equivalents in a commercial one before they start an argument on the site? Whatever the case though, I think that this must be the first time that a British surface man o' war has ever been "camouflaged" in "peacetime" but no doubt someone else will know differently.

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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 4:32 pm 
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Here's the official press release: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... zzle-paint
It's expected that all of the Batch II Rivers will receive new "dazzle" paint jobs.

(Personally, I think it's quite clear these are not dazzle schemes at all, and are closer to coastal concealment schemes)

Some photos from HMS Tamar's Twitter account and the above link for reference:


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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2021 3:14 am 
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Thanks Timmy,

Whatever scheme it is, it will no doubt receive a Lower Deck put-down: "But, sir, I can still see the * x 7 thing!" Still, I'm glad to see that they have removed the hull badges.

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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 2:29 pm 
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Update: the lions and the funnel crest are full re-"installed": https://twitter.com/justbriohny/status/ ... 4228800513

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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 3:29 pm 
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Thanks Timmy,

No further comment but still waiting to see if we get a "bite" from Sovereign Hobbies.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 3:48 am 
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Sorry I don't know what these are. I could guess but guessing is what led decades of misinformation being perpetuated in the field of Royal Navy WWII schemes, so I won't. When I've got more time available I will make more structured enquiries to the Royal Navy to ask but it's not a priority for me at the moment.

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No problem James. Many thanks for acknowledging the enquiry.

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HMS Severn is the latest to be repainted into patterned camo, this time as tribute to Western Approaches: https://twitter.com/hmssevern/status/14 ... 7338625032

Seemingly unlike the first two, Severn's crew went out of their way to conduct some actual research for inspiration, including looking through Sovereign Hobby's references: https://twitter.com/hmssevern/status/14 ... 5705043968
https://twitter.com/hmssevern/status/14 ... 3180355587


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I obtained the HMS Tamar colours via a Freedom of Information request to the MOD. There were five names listed. Four of these are standard BS381C colours. The fifth I'm not sure is really there (but it may be) but so far I haven't been able to track down what it is. It may take a visit to the ship with Nix Pro Color Sensor in pocket to zap some digital colour measurements.

It seems the HMS Severn team spent some time in the library at Portsmouth reading stuff, and I believe there are copies of some of our papers in the box files there now. We were never contacted by the crew prior to me starting a company Twitter account on Sunday, so I was quite surprised to see us mentioned there. I wish they'd got in touch sooner as I fear their conclusions may have been unnecessarily tainted by the physical samples they definitely viewed at Portsmouth. I've both seen and digitally measured those samples and unfortunately they are by a large margin the worst samples I know of in existence in terms of their age-related deterioration and colour shift.

E.g. the Admiralty Pattern 507C sample card they had has turned to a creamy-coffee colour
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Those badly yellowed 80 year old linseed oil paint samples could unfortunately lead one to the false conclusion that the paint colours were all over the place in service, and it seems from reading Twitter that that is what they concluded.

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