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Hi Neptune glazing is the fitting of clear asetate sheet behind strips of windows and ports. The sub assembly has to provide for the fitting of the asetate when all the superstructure is painted. The same applies to the grills covering the vents.
Dave Wooley

Dave,

stop it, your making it look so easy......which it definetly is not

Mark D.

Hi Dave, This is building in to one of your classic builds, where up to 10 pages already, some very nice work in the update, looking forward to seing it on the 15th.

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Well I wish you luck with the superstructure. I remember it well when I started to build mine at 1/100. Mind you I rebuilt it 3 times and in the end I still wasn't happy, but heh at least I tried and in the end that’s worth heaps.

I look forward to seeing many more images. Keep up the great work.

I'm getting the material ready for my next project and hope to start around September. I first have to redraw the plans of the Kuznetsov.

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1/72 Admiral Kuznetsov
1/72 Frunze Russian Battle cruiser
1/72 Steregushchy-class corvette

Mick
Tumut Australia

Hi ozpirate There is more to come, head banging that is . I'm very interested in your Kuznetsov project, I hope you will post up more details as you progress , although I've never seen a model of the Gorshkov yet?.
Dave Wooley

Now for the proof of the pudding so to speak "will the sides
fit the frame?

Thankfully they do and are temporally held in place
whilst provision is made for supporting the bridge areas.
But will they all fit accurately?

The frame was turned around ready accept the opposite side.
However in order to provide for the bridge the sub
structure below the bridges had to be made and fitted
into place. This is shown here and was worked to shape
with the help of photos, as the drawing was not clear as to
how this was formed.

The base, roof and sides of each of the bridges, fore
and aft were lifted from the plan using tracing paper
and transferred to the styrene for marking. First though
each bridge unit had to be made removable yet fit
accurately to the sloping sides of the superstructure.
What you see in the photo is an overlay of the forward
bridge showing the base and the roof. The sections
extending outward , either side are the bridge wings which form
part of the base structure.

The forward bridge roof and base "SLOTED" into position.

After bridge surrounds ready to be set into place.
Note the hexagonal section. This will form the "flight operations"
viewing position .

The plan of the after bridge area with bridge surrounds,
in place on the base. Note the slotted sections, these
will fit into and around the side of the superstructure.



Using the same principle the forward bridge assembly
is made ready. But will they all fail fit and require a complete
re-think, find out next time.

Dave Wooley

Dave,

nice work! I love theese styrene plates, they are so easy to cut, glue, fill and sand. What a difference to plywood...

I am keen on the first "watershots" when your monster is on the pond!

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Uli "Torpedo" Setzermann

http://www.marine-forum.de - Das Kaiserliche Marineforum

Currently Building: SM TrpBt B-110, SM TrpBt S-37
Upcoming: SMS Derfflinger

Hi Torpedo The right material for the job in question can be problematic. Ron works wonders with litho but many modellers use materials that are readily available and feel confident in their use . There are modellers in our society, which build in no other material other than wood, with results that are quite remarkable , others use all brass, again producing outstanding work . A good example is Gordon Brooks who builds with a material he was taught to use at Royal Dalton and believe it or not that material is plaster and yes he’s has won 2 gold medals at Telford IPMS international for his scratch built HMS Somali and a Dido class cruiser both a 1: 200 scale. I've used litho and I shall do so again but I like styrene, particularly when there is a large amount of openings to be made. I would consider all materials we use as modellers have their limitations but I would consider availability being one of the most important. For Kiev I've learned my lesson wood deck is fine, styrene deck, in large areas not so good.
Dave Wooley

Hi Dave, Another nice update, you seem to be able to work your styrene like I do with the litho, we all find materials we like to work with, the finish you got on your Mersey Class was superb. Im keeping my model away from yours when we do a show.

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What a nice built Dave
Your bridge is looking very nice.
I loke particulary the forward bridge with the clean windows

Styrene plates are quiet material for upperwork parts.
Plywood is also good for hull built.


Jef

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HMS Repulse

Well Ron your HMS Iron Duke and my diminutive HMS Amazon complemented each other very well indeed on our last sortie with the Grand Fleet .
Dave Wooley

I hate to admit this young sir (note the 'young' please), but I must say that the superstructure as is looks more complicated than I'd gathered when you told me about it. I can see now what you mean about angles and dangles and just about everything else. I don't envy you and I must say it's a neat job. Who knows, given time I might get to like this Russian monstosity........... a bit.

If anyone is offended by 'Russian monstrosity', then tough, I have an 'anti' thing about Russian warships. DW knows what I mean.

HAB

Hi Dave
Your progress looks GREAT !!!!
Instead of using only styrene for the bridge, I would have choosen a wooden (plywood/wood) structure with a styrene skin. The plywwod adds some (needed) rigidity in taller structures, which with plastic/styrene cannot be achieved.
That´s what I´ll be doing in my next project, which I´ll start showing to you all soon....

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Hi jmchaica Yes I would agree entirely with you that wood would have given a stronger base structure but was reluctant having experienced some unusual side effects on other models when bonding dissimilar materials together like styrene and wood . Now I use only a single material either all wood or all styrene. It certainly doesn't say that the problems I've had will occur again but the experiences have tempered my judgement. I've used bonding agents like "R/C modellers glue" which is second to non-when it comes to bonding styrene to wood. But when the model with these larger combinations of dissimilar materials is exposed to changing summer temperatures, out of doors and close to water the difference in the materials started to tell regardless of how good the bonding agent was. In fact the glue was that good the styrene pulled the timber surface away when it started to separate. As the styrene is held rigidly in place there is no way it can accommodate the changes in temperature as wood and styrene react quite differently when exposed to the same conditions. Museums are very aware that changing temperatures and humidity can play havoc with any model regardless of material .
Dave Wooley

A little bit more to show on how the superstructure
is developing. In this picture the roof of each bridge
is removable and will remain so until the entire
construction is completed and painted.
Then the glazing of the window spaces can
begin. But this has to be taken into consideration at
a VERY early stage in the build cycle.

This picture shows how the roof and bridge area
slot into the main superstructure. This is critical
as the sides of the platforms extend alongside the
superstructure. To tight and they will not fit , to slack
and there will be gaps along the edge between the
platform and superstructure.

The forward bridge superstructure in place. Here some
tidying up of the lower part beneath the bridge platform
can be undertaken. The rest must remain until the
SA-N-3 launcher platform is ready. Also the side angle
plates to each of the levels forward can be added. Each
angle must conform and be symmetrical with the next
as it would be very easy to spot any misalignment . .

Following the same method the after bridge is slotted into place.

The uptake casing has a number of angles but the
side two profiles are lifted from the drawing and
transferred to the styrene sheet. These then must fit
flush with the superstructure side. To ensure this is so
internal supports are fitted which can be seen in this picture.
These can be either made in situ or separate from
the top platform

Once the angled sides are all fitted into place a cover
can be made . Small exhaust outlets will be added to the top
of the cover at a later stage. It will be noticed that the casing is
nearly vertical and DOES NOT follow the inward slop
of the sides of the superstructure.

The next stage in the build will be the superstructures that
will support the SA-N-3 launcher forward and the
SA-N-3 launcher and the twin 76.2mounting aft.
Dave Wooley

Very nice Dave, you are progressing very well.

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Fantastic work so far Dave, it is always nice seeing this step by step build up of models. It really gives a prospective scratch builder an idea of what he is in for. Your construction seems very complex, with the various angles and whatnot, but wonderfully executed. Keep us posted please. I look forward to seeing this wrote up in Model Boats!!

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Regards,
Paul

IT fits!!! It Fits!!! Who could have thought that... Well at least I did. It fits nicely as always. This is already a beautiful build!

Regards
Roel

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The merchant shipyard

Hi Neptune thanks for you support and interest . At the moment I'm sorting out the SUW-N-1 deck housing and the RBU base mountings and blast screens. I'll show these soon.
From then on I'll get the bulky fittings made like the SS-N-12 silos and out the way . Just as a matter of interest you might have the answer to this one did the Kiev deploy the Hormone "C"s as SARs or KA27s Helix D s. Just a thought so I know which one I need to make? The information mentions As & Bs only
Dave Wooley

It looks so big on the pictures. But I like the way you use the plastic foil to build.

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Uli "Torpedo" Setzermann

http://www.marine-forum.de - Das Kaiserliche Marineforum

Currently Building: SM TrpBt B-110, SM TrpBt S-37
Upcoming: SMS Derfflinger