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Author: | 109 [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 |
Hi Bill, I just crapped a bag of popcorn and wait to see more of your build! ) Bye! |
Author: | Dave Wooley [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 |
Hi Bill back in the "carrier" groove, wonderful. I do like the scenario theme particularly in large scale of having more than one vessel with in the theme. I think you have well and truly cracked the art of creating seascapes and I just love the effects that are produced. Many of the carrier models in the FAA museum are set in this way which adds enormously to their visual presentation. Good to hear that the destination for your work will be the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. Another air lift job I presume? I am certainly looking forward to this build as they say we never stop learning and I sir am a willing pupil. BILL all the very best to you Dave Wooley |
Author: | Capitão Norbert [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 |
Hi Bill good to see another model from you.. good luck in this great project and happy birthday |
Author: | russclark [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 |
hi bill ,happy b.day.another great project,you certainly have set yourself a tight finish date,you must have a seperate area to take pics,if not then you have the neat'est work shop in the world .great pics. |
Author: | Cliffy B [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 |
I'll be watching this one intently. How do you plan on doing the airwing given the scale? |
Author: | Bill Waldorf [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 |
Cliffy B wrote: I'll be watching this one intently. How do you plan on doing the airwing given the scale? Aircraft will be in Atlantic scheme as far as color. I plan to use F4F's, TBF's, and perhaps SBD's. From JR Haynes, resin kits. |
Author: | Cliffy B [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 |
So aircraft kits do exist in this scale! Awesome! I don't know if you know what her airwing at the time was but this PDF should help you. The Naval Historical Center has PDFs available that show where ALL of the USN's aircraft were at a given date, usually weekly, for the entire war! The attack was on 4/8/1944 and there's a PDF for 4/4/1944. http://www.history.navy.mil/a-record/ww-ii/loc-ac/1944/apr/4-4-44.pdf It's a large PDF (about 3 megs and 34 pages) According to it, CVE-60 had VC-58 aboard with the following aircraft: (near the end of page 23 in the PDF) 9 FM-2 Wildcats 3 TBF-1 Avengers 9 TBF-1C Avengers Hope that helps Bill, -Mike |
Author: | Russ2146 [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
Thank the Lord!! I thought he might scratch build the planes and go beyond being merely awesome!!! |
Author: | johndon [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
Great start Bill, so you are doing a large scale version of this: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html John |
Author: | Bill Waldorf [ Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
johndon wrote: Great start Bill, so you are doing a large scale version of this: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html John Yes, but no sub. Not my call. Pics are great. Excellent job by this fellow! Thanks for posting....... |
Author: | Bill Waldorf [ Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 |
Cliffy B wrote: So aircraft kits do exist in this scale! Awesome! I don't know if you know what her airwing at the time was but this PDF should help you. The Naval Historical Center has PDFs available that show where ALL of the USN's aircraft were at a given date, usually weekly, for the entire war! The attack was on 4/8/1944 and there's a PDF for 4/4/1944. http://www.history.navy.mil/a-record/ww-ii/loc-ac/1944/apr/4-4-44.pdf It's a large PDF (about 3 megs and 34 pages) According to it, CVE-60 had VC-58 aboard with the following aircraft: (near the end of page 23 in the PDF) 9 FM-2 Wildcats 3 TBF-1 Avengers 9 TBF-1C Avengers Hope that helps Bill, -Mike Thanks much for the info...... |
Author: | Ticonderoga [ Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
Hi Bill, Great to see another build on the way, wonderful work so far, great inspiration for us newbies and important lessons to be learned. Looking forward to the demonstration. Andrew |
Author: | Bill Waldorf [ Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
Ticonderoga wrote: Hi Bill, Great to see another build on the way, wonderful work so far, great inspiration for us newbies and important lessons to be learned. Looking forward to the demonstration. Andrew Stay Tuned............!!!!! |
Author: | Bill Waldorf [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
Hello again all Moving along on the project, I have now finished sheeting off the Carrier, and covered the DE framework. Lets take a look...... Attachment:
File comment: Portside bow view of the CVE. Note that the second layer of 1/16" sheeting really smooths things out. I'm able to make the joints alot tighter, too. DSC04142.JPG [ 119.05 KiB | Viewed 19023 times ] Attachment:
File comment: Portside stern view here. By using large sections of the sheeting, I can cover alot of area realativly quickly. Contact cement used here. DSC04143.JPG [ 133.36 KiB | Viewed 19023 times ] Attachment:
File comment: Midships, portside. Again note the tight joints between the sheets. This second layer also adds rigidity. DSC04144.JPG [ 148.04 KiB | Viewed 19023 times ] Attachment:
File comment: Port view of the DE. Covering this was a little different. Since the spacing on the hull sections was much greater than the CVE, I planked this first with 1/16" x 3/8" balsa strips. Then the second layer was added using the sheet goods. Deck is 1/8" hard balsa. Stern is rough shaped balsa block. DSC04145.JPG [ 123.84 KiB | Viewed 19023 times ] Attachment:
File comment: Portside fwd. of the DE-133. Note as I get closer to the very front of the bow, I reduce the sheeting size so the wood will bend easier without splitting. DSC04146.JPG [ 93.24 KiB | Viewed 19023 times ] Attachment:
File comment: Overall view portside of both hulls. The table is 25" wide. In the display when completed, the ships will be about 36" apart, center to center, to give more room for water effects. DSC04147.JPG [ 121.76 KiB | Viewed 19023 times ] Attachment:
File comment: Bow view of the DE. Note the piece of .040 styrene added here for the bow stem. I'll form this area with autobody filler using the styrene as a guide to get that nice sharp bow. Once finished, this will all blend in and you would never know it was there. DSC04148.JPG [ 128.3 KiB | Viewed 19023 times ] Attachment:
File comment: The CVE's bow is alot more blunt than the DE. That sharp edge does'nt start till just above the waterline. I'll use styrene here too for the stem, but the upper part of the bow is quite rounded, fat, if you will. Same procedure with the filler will be used. DSC04149.JPG [ 67.43 KiB | Viewed 19023 times ] Attachment:
File comment: Stb. side here. Again note that second layer of balsa sheet really smooths things out. DSC04150.JPG [ 141.37 KiB | Viewed 19023 times ] Attachment: Attachment:
File comment: Good study from stb. showing the size comparison of the two ships. The CVE is about 200 feet longer than the DE. About 2 feet in scale terms. DSC04152.JPG [ 122.42 KiB | Viewed 19023 times ] Next step will be to seal the wood with polyester resin, then sand,sand,sand. Stay tuned, more to come...I continue on.............. |
Author: | Ticonderoga [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
Glad I stayed tuned Great work Bill, thanks for sharing Andrew |
Author: | Bill Waldorf [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
For those of you who are interested, heres a shot of the CVE USS Kalinin Bay in 1/96. Not waterline, but the same ship as this new one. Camo here is a bit different too. Both ships are Casablanca class CVE's.This is about how the new project will look when completed. I finished this replica some time ago and it is on permanant exhibit at the National Naval Air Museum, Pensacola, Fla. Attachment:
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Author: | Mike Glasgow [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
Hi Bill, I have been enjoying all of your builds for years and was happy to see you start another one. We are very fortunate that you share with us, your presentations and written descriptions which are very well done. I learn new techniques and reinforce old techniques each time I visit your posts. Thankyou for taking the effort with the photos, tips, and thought process of your creations. Best regards Mike Glasgow |
Author: | Bill Waldorf [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
Mike Glasgow wrote: Hi Bill, I have been enjoying all of your builds for years and was happy to see you start another one. We are very fortunate that you share with us, your presentations and written descriptions which are very well done. I learn new techniques and reinforce old techniques each time I visit your posts. Thankyou for taking the effort with the photos, tips, and thought process of your creations. Best regards Mike Glasgow You are more than welcome. Thanks for the post.....Bill W. |
Author: | DrPR [ Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding CVE-60 / DE-133 in 1/96 1944 |
Bill, I have been planning a visit to Chicago just to see the U-505. Now I will wait until your project is done so I can examine your work first hand! Of course I will also look at the submarine while I'm there. I'll be following this thread with interest. Phil |
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