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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:03 pm 
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Very interesting, thanks for the insight! The possibilities the various technologies available these days give us modellers (and not only us) are just unbelievable.
Fingers crossed to your build! :wave_1:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:41 am 
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Truly fascinating.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:16 pm 
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Hi Scheldeman,

I stumbled across your project, and it struck a bell! I had studied this Cockatoo shipyard briefly as in March 1942 the Dutch cruiser HNLMS Tromp was repaired and modified at this shipyard after her escape from the Netherlands East Indies.
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And it also re-ignites for me a diorama dream of another shipyard: the Napoleonic shipyard at Antwerp 1804-1813, on the bank of the Scheldt. With the Citadel still in place and the old abby of St. Michiels largely visible, being used as the yard's store. With about ten ships of the line in varying stages of construction on the slips, one being launched in presence of the Emperor in 1810.

What would you think of such a project?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:34 pm 
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Many thanks for the encouraging feedback people!

Mr Schönfeld: I see your first picture comes from Australian War Memorial; a most excellent database and one of my main sources for reference material today.

About your final question: that sounded a bit like a test. :big_grin:

-Feasability: I’d say go for it if it’s the subject you’re dreaming about for most of your life, and if you’re willing to commit many years to it. Don’t know how much time and/or effort you want to put in your undertaking. I do some intermittent kitbuilding in between long periods of research or tedious serial building, just to exercise and try out new techniques.

-Preparation/Research: Your subject demands a whole other level of historical research than is required for mine: there are no photographs, no living witnesses and minimal surviving artifacts. Archival resources will be present but this would be professional level archival research, quite different from a hobbyist’s picture browsing and asking around on social media groups. This seems to me to be the biggest hurdle, unless you're a (naval) historian.

I have some experience with heritage research in and around Antwerp: For an ongoing damage report on the carillon of the Antwerp cathedral we found a few scale models in the collection of Vleeshuis Museum. It was useful to extrapolate renewed versus older design of the bell support construction (nowadays it’s mainly housed in a steel reinforced concrete cage with Australian hardwood beams that turn out to be quite susceptible to frost-dawn erosion)

To get into the practice and theoretical mindset of the period shipbuilder I’d recommend Roubo’s L’Art du Menuisier, Diderot & D’Alembert, Encyclopédie (…) Charpenterie. and
Pierre Bougeur, Traité du Navire, de sa Construction, et de ses Mouvements.
Normally you can find all this as pdf’s on Gallica France. Thorough study of these works can take some time, unless you’re familiar with ancien régime French print of course. These are great resources for general construction principles, but not for cutting edge designs of the period you described. I can’t help you with that.

-Execution: If you’ve drawn your conclusions on the research and didn’t get stalled on the many, many gaps in information you’ll encounter, this will be the more relaxing part I guess. For practical things like the look of period shipyards I would refer to engravings and paintings of period construction sites and compare them to current wooden shipbuilding practice: wooden ladders are like modern ladders: not magical 10m solo long ones; same for scaffolding: every 2m per level because it requires human height to put the walking planks down. Builders get messy, resources get piled up around and stuff will be dropped everywhere. Don’t be too clean and certainly don’t be too symmetrical in the composition of your scene.

I know a few experts in historical woodworking in Europe who could undoubtedly give you much better resources about historical shipbuilding around Antwerp for your subject. Give me a pm and I’ll bring them along for your ride.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:14 am 
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Thank you very much, Scheldeman, for your extensive and elaborate reply!

I will send you a pm.

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Some funnel fun with laser fabricated items in Hasberg Material No. 1.4301 0,075mm and 0,05mm stainless precision gauge. The long ladder is from Eduard. No acid post-treatment was done; the burry edges are only visible with macro-photography (Nikon Micro 40mm), not with my x3,5 Alibaba optivisors (I should probably get better ones, give me a tip if you know a durable model with a wide lens range). I'm somewhat familiar with the machine now but still have a lot to cover about final product finish. I should've done the crossbeams and ovals of the top structures separately but the impatient noob in me had to do it in one go. The steel is very rigid, super comfortable to handle but trying to bulge-curve it as one unit deforms the round edges immediately. Bending the legs of the 1.2mm internal pipe railing roundel in a somewhat symmetrical fashion proved to be a humbling experience -I have so much respect for the real microbuilders.
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I mixed a droplet of white Aerocolor ink in the acrylic varnish infill to make the dried texture more visible for corrections.
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Those look really good. I especially like the covers on top of the funnels. Well done!

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Excellent work! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

As for optivisors: I'm pretty happy with my Donegan optivisor. The glass lense makes a big difference in comparison to the plastic lenses of cheaper brands.


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