Paint x-refs?

[Derek B]

Hi Guys,

This question has probably been raised many times before, so please forgive me if I run through it again!

Being new to warships, I am having difficulty finding information on the correct colour to use on ships, and currently available paint matches. I have a partly completed Revell 1/720 Graff Spee that requires painting (this is my first warship build). I shall order the colours from WEM. However, I shall be purchasing more ships soon (actually, I already have, but they are my Christmas presents, so I can't play with them yet!).

I shall need to know what colours I need for the USS Arizona (WWII) and a IJN I-400 submarine. I have amassed many tins of aircraft colours over the years (my normal modelling staple), and I would like to utilise some of these colours for my warships.

So, until I can build up may collection of new warship colours, can anyone guide me to any colour reference that specifically matches world navel warship colours to known paint colors please?

Many thanks

Derek

[Guest]

Derek,

If I understand wrong your question, please excuse me.

If I am right than here are my comments. Correspondence between paint codes and naval paint is a complicated issue but if you want to know it it is not me who can help.

To make it more simple you can look the color needed for any ship on an instruction sheet for the ship. Manufacturers normally write numerical code of the color and paint manufacturer to be used for particular part of the ship. If you have the paint of the manufacturer specified and code than you can use it, like Revell 74.

Yevgeniy

[Derek B]

Yevgeniy,

Sorry if I confused you. I know, for example, that Frederick Urban (IPMS Stockholm) produced a wonderful (and much used) cross-reference for aircraft colours (of all Nations), matched against known paints from various manufactures (Humbrol, Tamiya, etc)...I was looking for something similar for warships?


Cheers

Derek

Derek,

If I understand wrong your question, please excuse me.

If I am right than here are my comments. Correspondence between paint codes and naval paint is a complicated issue but if you want to know it it is not me who can help.

To make it more simple you can look the color needed for any ship on an instruction sheet for the ship. Manufacturers normally write numerical code of the color and paint manufacturer to be used for particular part of the ship. If you have the paint of the manufacturer specified and code than you can use it, like Revell 74.

Yevgeniy

[Yevgeniy]

Derek,

OK I suspected (and hoped ) you mean this. If you find this thing make a reference in this thread please - will be very much appreciated.

What I know now (copied from another thread here - information kindly provided to me by Magnus) about this (only German Imperial Navy):

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1. The colours of the German Imperial Navy are unknown. Usually German colours are referred to under the RAL (Reichsausschuss f�r Lieferbedingungen) numbers; however, RAL colours were not introduced until in 1927.

Anyway, there are two combinations: RAL 7000/RAL 7001 and RAL 7035/RAL 7038 are discussed.

The K�nig in the last post is in the RAL 7000/RAL 7001 scheme, I think.
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I can add from myself that Revell in its catalogue writes correspondence between their paints and RAL. You can download the list of their paints listed under Revell internal codes with RAL number indicated at the link to their site :http://www.revell.de/en/products/model_kits/accessories/colourtables/index.html

Hope this will help you at least with Graff Spee if you know its color under RAL.

Yevgeniy

[Timmy C]

See if this page might help:
http://www.internetmodeler.com/2003/aug ... art_1a.htm

[Derek B]

Gents, thank you very much for that information, it is indeed a good starting point for me, although I have yet much to learn (for instance, exactly which colours I need for my I-400 & Arizona).

Yours gratefully

Derek

[Obiwan3]

Lads,
You may find a more up to date listing on Cybermodeler.com. Though it's aimed at the wingie-thingie crowd.

[waynec]

So, until I can build up may collection of new warship colours, can anyone guide me to any colour reference that specifically matches world navel warship colours to known paint colors please?


Derek

arizona colors varied in 1941. at the begining of 1941 she was a really dark almost black gray with light gray tops. as the us navy was experimenting with colors in 1941, by pearl harbor she was ocean gray to the top of the funnel, everything above the funnel was haze gray. the tops of turrets 1, 2, and 4 were red. no. 3 turret top was not painted.
you may sometimes hear or see a reference to mediterranean blue. you may also see an article dated around december 7, 2006 talking about the turret top colors. the drawing shows a light blue for the hull and lower superstructure. this is wrong. us navy sailors sometimes referred to some grays as mediterannean blue. don't confuse this with royal navy mediterranean blue.
i believe Nautical Research Guild quarterly magazine will have an article about this next isse. the writer spoke about the colors at the conference in october 2007.


http://www.steelnavy.com/usnchips.htm

[Derek B]

Wayne,

Thank you for that information, it is just the type of thing I was looking for. I am aware that there will be many experienced ship modellers out there, who shall instinctively know the colours of Arizona (due to time and experience)...but to me, this is still very scary stuff, and I don't want to get it wrong before I even start!

Many thanks

Derek


Derek[/quote]

arizona colors varied in 1941. at the begining of 1941 she was a really dark almost black gray with light gray tops. as the us navy was experimenting with colors in 1941, by pearl harbor she was ocean gray to the top of the funnel, everything above the funnel was haze gray. the tops of turrets 1, 2, and 4 were red. no. 3 turret top was not painted.
you may sometimes hear or see a reference to mediterranean blue. you may also see an article dated around december 7, 2006 talking about the turret top colors. the drawing shows a light blue for the hull and lower superstructure. this is wrong. us navy sailors sometimes referred to some grays as mediterannean blue. don't confuse this with royal navy mediterranean blue.
i believe Nautical Research Guild quarterly magazine will have an article about this next isse. the writer spoke about the colors at the conference in october 2007.


http://www.steelnavy.com/usnchips.htm[/quote]