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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:15 pm 
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Greg, the little blue guy is from the 1/72nd scale Revell U-Boat crew set - so he's an inch tall, to fit the ship. 25mm in metric units. A previous crew member, last seen on the mast page of this build, unfortunately had his head gnawed off by a passing kitten, so he won't be around for eventual sea trials and commisioning. Luckily the box was full of sailors, so they'll be no shortage of eventual victims ... I mean crew. :smallsmile:

Dave, I must say I'm looking forward to planking. My trial attempt, mentioned recently, made me realise that it's just a question of perserverance - I enjoyed the process and the result, and therefore look forward to the work: though I realise it's going to take time. I am, however, wondering whether a pre-laying subtle staining of a fraction of the planks will highlight the detail specifically on the (aft of the superstructure) almost monotonous deck?

Andy, realising it's past six, and almost time to switch from Earl Grey to something redder, preferably with a cork in it.


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Greg, the little blue guy is from the 1/72nd scale Revell U-Boat crew set - so he's an inch tall, to fit the ship. 25mm in metric units. A previous crew member, last seen on the mast page of this build, unfortunately had his head gnawed off by a passing kitten, so he won't be around for eventual sea trials and commisioning. Luckily the box was full of sailors, so they'll be no shortage of eventual victims ... I mean crew. :smallsmile:

Dave, I must say I'm looking forward to planking. My trial attempt, mentioned recently, made me realise that it's just a question of perserverance - I enjoyed the process and the result, and therefore look forward to the work: though I realise it's going to take time. I am, however, wondering whether a pre-laying subtle staining of a fraction of the planks will highlight the detail specifically on the (aft of the superstructure) almost monotonous deck?

Andy, realising it's past six, and almost time to switch from Earl Grey to something redder, preferably with a cork in it.

I'll drink to that, yet again :lol_spit_1: and best of luck with the planking . :wave_1:
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i have been watching your progress you rock man
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bismarck builder wrote:
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i have been watching your progress you rock man
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Rock? Thank you - but it's maybe not the right phrase. You see, continents move faster than I do!

And now it's guilty secret time ... when making websites for a living, and working on fiddly bits of boats, I often have Rock FM on the digi radio - naturally turned up to eleven. The 'Floyd and Sabbath rock :cool_2: I just proceed. :smallsmile:

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Let's get nibbing!

First off - why nib? Well, cut ends of planks are fine up to angles of about 45 degrees. More than this, and the wood develops a weak point at the "sharp end" where weathering can occur. To avoid this, the sharp end is cut short, and the resultant joint is let into the edging. The trick is to have at least one perpendicular cut halfway across the wood, and make sure both cuts match the angle required by the outer edge of the edging wood they're jointing into.

Here's a plank that needs nibbing at the fore end of Y barbette. (The barbette will fit within the edging piece, over the curved red line.)

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Holding the plank over the edging, and knowing the half-width of the plank, it's easy to cut the correct angle into the plank. Then holding the plank over the edging, it's clear where this has to be cut to fit.

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The joint angles look good!

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Now trim the other end of the plank to suit the deck - you can just see here that there's a quarter-length joggle per plank run. That giant pound coin is to make my woodwork look good. (Nah...it's really 22.5mm in diameter - the plank lengths are four inches, the width 3mm and the thickness 1mm. I'm using lime strip, as per Ron's lovely Iron Duke.)

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Apply glue and get the caulking ready - this is standard polyester thread, cut a few inches over the length of the whole plank run; here that's the gap between barbettes X and Y, containing two full planks and a couple of shorties.

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Offer up the plank, leaving a small gap, and lay in the caulking along the long edge. Once again, PVA is wonderful glue for this - you get under a minute before you know it's too late, but that's enough time to shuggle the pieces, apply the thread, swear once or twice, and finally see it home.

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Run the thread...

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...around the joint...

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...and scrape off any excess glue with a plank specifically used for the purpose. Then work your way along the plank lengths (I go from right to left, as I'm left handed.) and prepare the other end - once again, joint first, then trim the plank to length. It saves trees.

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Finished! Now the thread ends are trimmed off, and the next plank run can begin.

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For caulking, I'm using two indispensible tools. This is handy and always available...

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...while this one is the blunt end of a tiny scalpel. The caulking wants to lie just below the top of the plank as these will get a light sanding before being sealed later. Any fluff on the thread tends to get glued in during the process, and will certainly be taken care of when the varnish/sealer is applied.

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Here's a close-up of the first three nibs at the barbette. Florian, the blue guy, is still 25mm tall.

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Hmmm....I've a way to go. But the effect is lovely, and from certain angles (though not this one) the plank breaks are obvious, aided by subtle changes of wood colour and the regular pattern of overlap.

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I reckon I've done 150 sq cm in about three hours - so 100 hours should see the decks covered. That may sound like a lot of work, but given the amount of deck on the ship, and the effect it'll have once done, I think it's justifiable.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:48 pm 
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a picture saves a thousand words clear & informative that is going to be 100 hours of very satisfing work.
many thanks for posting
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Hi Andy Superb work and well presented . Joggling to the margin plank is a time consuming and difficult job that few modellers will attempt and you have accomplished the task with great flair.
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Excellent work :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

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Superb work Andy, very impressive :thumbs_up_1:

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Many thanks, everyone!

It took about three hours today to reach the outer edge of the aft barbettes, and complete the planking between X turret and the aft end of the superstructure. And I think (six hours in total) that I'm:

1/ Getting faster.

2/ More than a twentieth of the way there.

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For scale, the horizontal lines across the subdeck in the photo are one inch apart (to help with plank-staggers), the vertical lines 30mm apart (to help with parallel planking). The inner edge of the edging plank around the barbette is 12cm. I quite like the state of the subdeck here - it's as if the chippies have been in. Junk wood-ends and thread everywhere.

The corrugated margin plank at the superstructure looks more frightening to make than it actually was. It was stuck to the subdeck and trimmed into, one plank at a time, just as in yesterday's posting.

Back to work!

Andy, more "Zen" than "Mad", at the moment.


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Hi Andy ,

I thought I was a nitpicker , but as I can see , you do better than me :big_grin:

just love your deck , man !

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holy cow man!! i think will stick to steal decked ships :lol_3: :lol_3:

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Now THAT is some absolutely incredible work! :thumbs_up_1:

Love Dreadnought, so I've been following this since I first saw the thread.

How long are the individual planks you are using?

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Beautiful work, particularly the nibbing around the barbette and the realistic caulking!
(although at 100 hours for the whole deck, I think I'll stick to Slaters textured styrene sheet for the planked decks on my models...)

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A hell of work!

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outstanding work andy.......you make it look easy.....joe :thumbs_up_1:

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Welcome Joe!!!! good to see you here at last :wave_1: :woo_hoo: :wave_1: :woo_hoo:

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:oops: Thanks for all the kind words...

Bob, the plank length is 4 inches - corresponding to 24 feet at 1/72nd scale. When cutting the metre-long strips into planks, I'm adding a couple of mm to each one in order to make sure I've got excess to cut off when it's time to fit them. It's much better than the alternative! :smallsmile:

And for those who have followed this thread from the beginning, I think we all deserve a long service award - it's almost two years since I started. (And I've still not painted anything.) Hmmm...the real thing was in the water in a year.

With lots of jobs like this, it's not technically difficult - it just requires a certain mindset: care and patience. I used to make medieval armour, and I know (I've done it three times) that I can spend a month assembling ten-thousand-plus rings into a maille hauberk. I think Mao might have hit it on the head, with regards to long journeys, but I'd better not quote him as Werner would no doubt disapprove! :smallsmile:

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Really really good work-- The caulking looks most effective-

-but.. what a task...!!

Nibbing--nice chopped plank ends-I see it on large Yachts all the time--but had not considered the reasoning for..!!

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