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Sorry for double post.

I finished PtG










As usual, all questions and comments are welcome (or rude comments )

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Ships on the Slipway
HMS Victorious R38
USS Pinckney DDG-91
SAS Drakensberg A-301
On the drawing board
HMS Dumbarton Castle P265
HMS Albion L14
VT Sergey Osipov

Very nice work, ASFC - Grand job on the aft SA-N-9 launchers. Peter looks beautiful, but there is One catch. DML doesn't realize that they didn't have to include a radar for the aft Tor-M1 launchers, there's already two on the weapons frame, which don't lack the inaccuracy in the design that DML's does. First off, their Klinok/Cross Swords radar is oversized, second it lacks the second dish on the top pole - there should be an elliptical dish and a rectangular one in the paired set, normally. I just looked at the pictures from Toulon, in the Kirov Class thread under Calling all Ship fans, and the last picture is a broadside shot, and the rotor happens to be sitting right, it's got both dishes. Up to you if you want to fix it, the parts off the weapons sprue are as follows:

7, 15, 16 - 15 goes on the front, 16 goes on the back. Up to you if you want to make that one teensy fix.

*waits for something to get thrown at him*

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Awesome job ASFC A really great paint job, That class just Ooze Power.

Happy modeling

John

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No no, you are right-I had used 7 and 15, but I had not put 16 on !


Indeed. that last shot of mine from the rear has made me think they would make excellent conversions to Arsenal Ships given how wide they are!

Thanks for the comments.

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Ships on the Slipway
HMS Victorious R38
USS Pinckney DDG-91
SAS Drakensberg A-301
On the drawing board
HMS Dumbarton Castle P265
HMS Albion L14
VT Sergey Osipov

They do indeed ooze power, they're the biggest non-carrier surface combatants out there, and they're armed to the bloody teeth. Short of a SSBN, there's nothing with as much destructive power projection capability. Argue for a carrier all you want, they're somewhat topped by 20 Nuclear SSCMs, and if they ever built a Ramjet-driven version, it would be a very bad day for the poor bastard on the receiving end.

Ah, no worries on that ASFC, I wasn't sure if you had or not, it looked a little big to me.

As to conversions, on the What If board, one of the boys was like "I wonder what it'd look like with big naval guns on it" I drafted up the basic proposal for what you'd need to do for the likely conversion, without losing too much capability - basically it consists of moving the forward Kashtans a little further back, mounting the forward turret in place over the Granit missile battery. Move the aircraft bridge back to make the space for the aft turret, positioned superfiring over the helipad, granted you'd have to swing broadside when the helicopter comes in. That would retain most of the current combat capabilities, and with some modern advancements to guns, you wouldn't lose too much of the surface-to-surface capacity. Krasnopol 16" naval round anybody?

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Simon,
I am not sure about bigger guns, yes she could certainly carry them, but i think i would maybe add more 130mm.
The Kirovs lines always reminds me of the Virginia but on a much larger scale of course, but shape seem so similar, they were a beautiful class.

Happy modeling

John

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Yeah, more 130's might look interesting, I plan on eventually doing a modified Admiral Ushakov/Kirov, modernized with the Kashtan CIWS system, additional S-300's and the guns replaced with AK-130's. The only problem is, I'm starting to run out of shelf space, and for now additional build orders are being restricted. So, for now, I'm trying to finish up projects I still have underway. I think I found a solution to one problem, namely my lack of flight deck material for the Fenris - I'm going to salvage the flight deck off my Testors Kuznetsov, sand off the detail, chop it down to size, and use that. I'm not 100% sure, but that's the likely action I'll take.

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Die Panzerschiffe - Putting the Heavy in Heavy Cruiser since 1940.

It's not Overkill, it's Insurance.

If you think my plastic is crazy, check out my Line Art!
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Ok so my Sovremenny build is now moving forward:

I have built up the superstructure, started painting it, painted the white water line on the waterline base. Having seen the debates in here on Russian Deck colours i'm going for a dark brown for the main deck and the sterotypical 'Russian Deck Red' for decks on the superstructure.



As usual, all questions comments and/or rude remarks welcome!



p.s. Something that has struck me about Sovremenny Destroyers is how weird the design is-from the front, they are powerful, imposing anti-surface warships, yet they just seem to wither away by the time you get to the stern compared to many Western designs. It is like sombody chopped the front off a Slava and stuck it to the stern of a stretched Krivak.

p.p.s Any news on my package John? I'm not bothered if I have to wait more my hands are full with things to finish!

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Ships on the Slipway
HMS Victorious R38
USS Pinckney DDG-91
SAS Drakensberg A-301
On the drawing board
HMS Dumbarton Castle P265
HMS Albion L14
VT Sergey Osipov

Hiya ASFC,
Package will be mailed Tomorrow or Tues along with Simons bits n pieces,
I think the Sovremenny and Udaloy designs really surprised everybody when they came out, not your typical soviet styled if there is space it has a weapon or sensor on it, i think a lot of it was because there was two designs which were to work alongside one and other, one ASW and one ASUW, you can see what happened when both were combined into a single unit in the Admiral Chabanenko. But the Sovremenny still packs a punch fwd and aft with the 130mm and the SA-N-7 systems, sisx sensors are attached to the SA-N-7 so it is feasible that 6 targets can be engaged during a multiple target raid.

Happy modeling

John

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Actually, John, the Sovremenny's are the fleet destroyers, they're meant to operate with the fleets. Chabanenko was to be the surface-focus center of Udaloy-based destroyer squadrons - four Udaloys and one Udaloy II - to that end, there were ostensibly two more Udaloy II's on the plan, to provide one such squadron for three of the fleets. Sovremennys do appear to thin down towards the back, but that's primarily because the SA-N-7 launcher is so small, compared to the aft launcher on, say, a Spruance, where the launcher's all above deck, a big box of missiles. The SA-N-7's got a big belowdeck magazine. Though the AK-130 mount looks a lot more powerful and menacing than the US 5", mostly because it's a twin barrel gun that can put out 120 rounds a minute in pure fire.

I'm still thinking about that Super Udaloy concept, I think it might be interesting to see, even if ostensibly it would run a bigger draft, due to the weight of the additional stuff. Ah well.

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The times i shadowed or observed soviet task forces on transit or exercises, the Sovremennys would form the AAW barriers whilst the Udaloys with Kashins and Krivaks would perform the ASW duties. but it actually makes sense having a dedicated ASW group with a multi capable command unit, maybe this force would have had duties such as ASW sweep prior to SSBN's sailing.

Have you ever played the game Harpoon(board or comp versions) great game

Happy modeling

John

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That's all well and true, but this is also to note that most of the Udaloy Fleet's changed, in respect to the way they were designed to operate. The Udaloy groups were supposed to form their own squadrons, a subsidiary patrol unit of a form. But with the lack of funds, they've been simply integrated into the main fleet units.

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Die Panzerschiffe - Putting the Heavy in Heavy Cruiser since 1940.

It's not Overkill, it's Insurance.

If you think my plastic is crazy, check out my Line Art!
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The part of my post that read, (but it actually makes sense having a dedicated ASW group with a multi capable command unit,) meant the Udaloys and Udaloy II as a dedicated group.

Pics should be up later of progress on Chabanenko, Fwd and Bridge area is nearly complete.

Happy modeling

John

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Nice, looking forward to it. Should be quite interesting to see how you've come along on it John.

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Die Panzerschiffe - Putting the Heavy in Heavy Cruiser since 1940.

It's not Overkill, it's Insurance.

If you think my plastic is crazy, check out my Line Art!
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No Udaloy II piccys yet?? John must be engrossed in his modeling!

A quick update on RFS Bystry:

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Ships on the Slipway
HMS Victorious R38
USS Pinckney DDG-91
SAS Drakensberg A-301
On the drawing board
HMS Dumbarton Castle P265
HMS Albion L14
VT Sergey Osipov

Looking Great ASFC it is coming along very nicely

Happy modeling

John

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Here is the progress so far on the Udaloy 2............





Any questions or comments welcome

Happy modeling

John

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Looking good, ASFC and John.

ASFC, the Sovremenny looks nice, should turn out quite well. The brown's an interesting shade in truth.

John, Chabby looks good so far. Don't forget the slope ramps for the Moskit launchers. The bow structure looks asymmetrical, but could be paint versus perspective that's distorting it. Looks good on your bridge extension too. Keep up the good work!

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Die Panzerschiffe - Putting the Heavy in Heavy Cruiser since 1940.

It's not Overkill, it's Insurance.

If you think my plastic is crazy, check out my Line Art!
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Thanks Simon, Moskits were just placed there for pic.

Happy modeling

John

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I'm loving the Udaloy.

Saura-I like my brown deck, it contrasts nicely with the bright red/orange stuff they always seem to use for the upper decks. Russian ships have to be the most clourful ships around outside of civvie/camoflauged ships.

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Ships on the Slipway
HMS Victorious R38
USS Pinckney DDG-91
SAS Drakensberg A-301
On the drawing board
HMS Dumbarton Castle P265
HMS Albion L14
VT Sergey Osipov