What colour D-Day landing craft ?

[ar]

I believe that I do know what the colours were. But, I am not one of the we's.

Alan, my statement comes from the fact that there is conflicting documentation concerning 5-D; earlier pieces Del gave you assigned it a munsell purple-blue hue, but a formula that I found that was sent to Mare Island Navy Yard is neutral. At this point we don't know which is accurate for the pacific fleet.

we can also agree these colours are a good starting point to painting your model battleship,

Sure, if you're just building to slap something together for fun. I like to build for an accurate representation though.

Not true.
I did have a formula for a neutral 1941 dark grey, but NO indication that it was ever used. That is why I never mentioned it in the articles.
Contact Wiper and ask him when he is going to use the data that I sent him.
So, for me, the Battleline WAS IN 5D ON DECEMBER 7th 1941.
PS.Is it possible for someone to post this message on the other board?

[Tracy White]

Alan, would you please confirm that you read the document I linked to? I am not saying the fleet wasn't largely painted in 5-D.

WHICH 5-D is the question. Mare Island was the paint manufacturing yard for the pacific fleet. They were sent a neutral formula, and that document is referenced for the next six months or so when 5-D is discussed. So there is a strong indication that the neutral 5-D was used on the pacific fleet. This is research that post-dates Del Palmieri's work and as far as I know, in different archives.

I have already discussed that on SteelNavy. This is off-topic to the landing craft discussion.

Del's stuff that you forwarded to Steve is lower priority right now; I'm not holding my breath and am doing my own research. The more eyes we have looking the more we'll learn.

[aleccap]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2512/410 ... 2891_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2531/410 ... 3245_b.jpg
Okay people here we go - this is my interpretation governg B/W film and photo's, the decking is Revell matt-78 and hull Humbrol matt-27 I am not concerned about the over-paintng as I'll deal with this at a later date, I feel these colours t be quit close.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2522/410 ... 8bb6_b.jpg
I have a colour D-day DVD coming tommorow, as luck would have I doubt if there'll be any LST's, just have to wait and find out.
The 2 models are very clean, a lot of wear and tear rust and a general muck slap dash should bring these looking used rather than brand new. Still, if anyone has the time, could you please give your view on thses colours, thank you.

[aleccap]

I got this from a Mr Kenny Loup and it makes good reading (or should I perhaps nothave said that)
The camouflage painting need not be exact or carried into corners. Small gear, wires, rigging, and areas permanently in shadow, as under boats, etc., need not be painted with the camouflage colors. There is no objection to exact or careful painting which may be desired for the sake of good appearance at close range.

All bright or shiny objects, no matter how insignificant, shall be painted, covered, or removed.

Glass windows shall be covered or removed, especially during the day in sunny weather, and at night when anticipating searchlight discovery. Insofar as conditions permit, similar precautions shall be taken on airport lenses.

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[Timmy C]

That's listed under the instructions for various camo measures on the Shipcamouflage website.

[Russ2146]

Follow this link for color photos of amphib's practicing in England prior to D-day.

http://www.historylink101.com/ww2_navy/ ... index.html

Hope this is helpful

In regard to the site in general, whomever is labeling some of the photos is far from expert, at least with regard to aircraft.

Hope this is helpful

Russ

[Russ2146]

Here's a green LST, but who knows where or when, unless the Sherman's markings are a clue.

http://www.historylink101.com/ww2_navy/ ... 14399.html

The link itself is misleading but is correct on the photo label

[Tracy White]

Looks more like Measure 22 to me; faded Navy Blue hull with Ocean gray above the main deck (a bit of the bow and gun tubs).

[aleccap]

Russ - best colour pix so far, I've my fingers crossed my DVD arrives today, looking at the actual photo's the hull could even be Humbrol matt-77 (please check colour chart) obviously will require the usual sea-battering look, thank you very much.

[Jiggersfromsphilly]

Some of the LSTs involved in D-Day were scheduled for South Pacific duty. The went from Normandy to the PTO, as invasion scenarios were nonexistent in the ETO.

[dick]

Given the particular combination of mark of Sherman and the markings on its turret I strongly suspect that photo was taken in the USA.

LST 547 never saw Europe:

Laid down, 24 December 1943, at Missouri Valley Bridge and Iron Co., Evansville, IN.
Launched, 19 February 1944
Commissioned USS LST-547, 30 March 1944
LST-547 was assigned to the Asiatic-Pacific Theater but saw no combat action during World War II
Following World War II LST-547 performed occupation duty in the Far East until early February 1946
Decommissioned, 28 February 1946
Struck from the Naval Register, 31 October 1947
Final Disposition, sold for scrapping, 26 May 1948, to Bethlehem Steel Co., Bethlehem, PA.

[aleccap]

Thank you all, are we now ready for step 2 ? I am happy enough with colours laid down for the L.S.T Mk2, however can someone now tell me about L.C.T's at the moment I have 2 that require construction, one has a cover from stem to stern, the other what appears to be rockets, or as I believe hedghog, look forward to your reply.

[Russ2146]

I keep thinking the designation was LSMR and it carried a large number of rocket launchers. At that time they were of course unguided. But, Navsource has the whole story.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/14/14idx.htm

http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/06/06idx.htm

http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/05/05idx.htm

[aleccap]

One word Russ - HELP - the links you've given me are first class, so I thought I'd have another go myself, bad mistake as I found (was looking for L.C.T hedghog) a whole page on L.C.T and these are nothing like the model I have.
I know scale for scale models are not that bad, my L.C.T is long enough to hold a tank or trucks, the mouth would never be wide enough to pass a tank, maybe you or someone could help more if sometime today, I'll hurry and build these (roughly) and perhaps you can see the problem for yourself.

[aleccap]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2753/411 ... 67d4_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2525/411 ... 0760_b.jpg
The above L.C.T show the problem, adaptation without question has been used, however the problem remains the same, a tank cannot pass through, a truck yes, the covered LCT I can use anywhere any-place, the 2 hedghog on the other hand would be out at sea, again a problem due to the planned size of my diorama, the L.S.M and L.C.I that will complete this won't be a problem, its just these L.C.T's and L.S.T Mk2 which I am now happy with.
I have 4 L.C.T's in total, 2 designed to be covered (I'll use 1 un-covered) and 2 hedghogs, and again I may only use the 1.
Just as a thought and not much else, I've still to design the diorama base, I feel due to how I build my models, colour match first, I can't even begin until that has been sorted out, the 4 L.S.T are fast becoming complete, which will only leave me the 4 L.C.T's, look forward to your reply.

[ar]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2753/411 ... 67d4_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2525/411 ... 0760_b.jpg
The above L.C.T show the problem, adaptation without question has been used, however the problem remains the same, a tank cannot pass through, a truck yes, the covered LCT I can use anywhere any-place, the 2 hedghog on the other hand would be out at sea, again a problem due to the planned size of my diorama, the L.S.M and L.C.I that will complete this won't be a problem, its just these L.C.T's and L.S.T Mk2 which I am now happy with.
I have 4 L.C.T's in total, 2 designed to be covered (I'll use 1 un-covered) and 2 hedghogs, and again I may only use the 1.
Just as a thought and not much else, I've still to design the diorama base, I feel due to how I build my models, colour match first, I can't even begin until that has been sorted out, the 4 L.S.T are fast becoming complete, which will only leave me the 4 L.C.T's, look forward to your reply.

To put you out of your misery, try LCT (R).

[dick]

Those look like British LCTs. Something wrong with the scale of the model tanks if they cannot "drive" out!

Decks dark grey. Sides white and blue (someone will know the correct one or see below).

No awning would have been on any taking part in opposed landings on D Day.

(Re LSTs, whilst American ones seem to have been overall blue, British ones probably were not.)

[aleccap]

Great looking pix many thanks for posting, a vast difference between scale model and the real thing, I must go along with the real deal, and the models showed with non-fitting tanks as being wrong for this type, while 4.5 ton truck doesn't seem to much of a problem, and I can always couple these with jeeps, I will be going along with American colours rather than British, having said that, I have a very strong urge to paint blues (dark and shades of ) and camo on 1 or 2 others, once again, many thanks to everyone for such help, advise and a ton of pointing me in the right direction.
I'll be coming to a close on painting the surface craft, and then I'll be able to begin mapping out the diorama board, at the moment everything is in my head, I am looking at more sea then land, however a sweeping bay something like the original B/W photo with a sudden appearence of high ground, possibly a mountain, this is how I see it, and a major problem will obviously be space, sadly the lack of it, therefore, I may also be looking at segmental dioramas.
At this point, I would like to call this thread a day as I feel I now have enough information, many thanks.
Alec
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2678/411 ... a944_o.jpg

Also on youtube you can actually see the L.C.T (R) in action

[Sr. Gopher]

I know you wanted this to end a REALLY long time ago Alec, and I'm sorry about that, but would I be right in guessing that you got the D-Day landing set from Skywave? I'm thinking about getting this, but I don't know about the quality of the kit. Has the kit been easy to handle? And also, I hope to see some of what you've done, or am planning to do. If it's still being done anyway. Good Luck, Gopher

[Sr. Gopher]

I forgot to add, could you send me those pictures? I can't really seem to access them. I'd love to see what I missed when I thought the only place to get them was in the Gallery.