Hobby Boss 350th USS Arizona Humble Beginnings.

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Wow... This is proper modelling... and what a great WIP :thumbs_up_1:

I will be following this closely, these are the sort of WIP's that are so, so entertaining to read. Wonderful. The whole thing reminds me of updated version of Mike Asheys book, so lots to learn from this for so many people.

Really impressed with the PE and extras you have bought, they certainly have a made a real difference.... I too cannot wait for the next installment :thumbs_up_1:
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Re: Hobby Boss 350th USS Arizona - Deck masked

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Thanks for the comments guys. This portion is a real test of patience. Two different shades have already been sprayed, and I just finished masking over 1200 individual boards. I didn't do an exact count, but on my cutting template I get about 260 individual masks out of a strip of tape, and I've repeated the cutting process 5 times, so you can do the math..lol. I've read that the Arizona's deck planks were random length, but in the interest of aesthetics, I tried to keep them all uniform in length. I don't think the actual deck would have such a broad range of color variance, especially after being holy stoned 15000 times, but in scale it would be a pretty boring monochrome appearance, so I choose to sacrifice scale accuracy for a representation of different planks.

The second set of masking had to have a much greater coverage than the first. The first coat was a high-lite color, and the second coat was a bit darker. The third and final coat will be the over all color, and I'll use a shade that's somewhere in between my lighter color and darker color. Once it dries then I get to remove all those bits of tape. Here's a couple of pictures showing the masking.

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The "bare" spots are places where deck equipment will go, as I didn't see a need in doing any more masking than what was needed.

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Closeup of the Upper and Aft decks. Next steps will be to spray color, let it dry then remove masking, and then apply a gloss coat and wash the deck to pop out the grooves. I'll use a light gray for the wash to simulate the caulking between the boards.

Thanks for following along. The next update will be of the deck with masking removed and pre and post wash applied to see the difference the wash makes. As always thanks for the comments. They helped keep me motivated during a pretty tediously boring part of the build.

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Mike,
Enjoying your build as I am doing about the same thing that you are. You ought to check out the open chocks that are made by L'arsenal and Corsair Armada and also Corsair Armada's twin bits. The bits flair out at the top, which I believe is more accurate for one of the 'Big 5' and so they probably are not accurate for the Arizona. But they look good. Look forward to more progress. Jon
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Mike,

Shes looking good so far. Makes me want to buy a new Arizona kit! Keep up the good work :thumbs_up_1:
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Really nice job Mike. I doubt I'd have the patience to make all those tiny strips of tape. Keep up the good work!
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Mike,
Very, very impressive work!! Very clean and and some great solutions. I love the open casemates. If I do Pennsy I will pick up the Eduard set. I look forward to more progress!

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Splendid buildup :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: looking forward to see the deck all painted


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I had to set this aside for a period of time to attend to my father's funeral arraignments this last week. My Dad died suddenly last Thursday from a massive heart attack at 87 years of age. He was a WW2 Veteran, having been assigned to the 20th Air Force where he was a B-29 mechanic. Dad died doing what he loved to do most, tinker with something mechanical and spending time with my daughter, helping her fix her tractor. The doctor told me that Dad went without any pain, and that he was gone before he hit the floor, so for that I am grateful. Dad got me started in modeling at age 5, and he's always taken an interest in what I was building or doing. He'll be sorely missed.



Back to the Arizona. Thanks for the comments so far everyone, I appreciate them.
Mike,
Very, very impressive work!! Very clean and and some great solutions. I love the open case mates. If I do Pennsy I will pick up the Eduard set. I look forward to more progress!

Charles Landrum
Hi Charles thank you for the kind words. It was your build of the Arizona on Roll Models Web Page that inspired me to do mine. I've found it to be a valuable reference. It's my pleasure to have you following along.
You ought to check out the open chocks that are made by L'arsenal and Corsair Armada and also Corsair Armada's twin bits.
Thanks for the tip Jon! I will do just that.



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After I got the deck painted with the final color, I let it dry and then masked the entire deck, and painted the case mate interior and exterior, the hull and the #2 Turret Barbette and associated deck houses on the Superstructure deck. These were shot with WEM #5 Gray. These were allowed to dry for a week, then all masking was removed. I then applied a light gray wash to the deck but it made no discernible difference in the appearance, so I applied a light brown wash, and the results were much better. After the wash was dry, I then brushed a light gray filter color over the entire deck, and it muted it down and gave a better appearance. I am very happy with the results.

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A little closer look. So far I haven't found any major boogers in the planking or masking. I usually have at least one glaring at me in a most conspicuous spot. Maybe the modeling gods are pleased with this one so far.

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Shot of the aft deck with # 3 and 4 turrets sitting in place.

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Finally the Superstructure deck. I have to add a filler strip along the edge to hide the seam between the deck and case mate sides yet. That will be made from .020 strip and then painted gray.

From here I'll glue the hull bottom on and get it mounted to a working base, and then assembly will begin.

As always thanks for following along. Any suggestions and comments are welcome.

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Mike
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Mike,

I am sorry to hear of the loss of your father. He is now in a better place, may he rest in peace.

The Arizona looks beautiful. I love the deck! Superb work, keep us updated
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My sincere condolences on the loss of your Dad. I hope your daughter isn't too traumatized by what happened.

Your Arizona is stunning, hope you can find the motivation to keep at it.
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And this is why a painted deck will always look better than a wooden one - you just can't recreate that sort of planking detail (well, unless you install separate pieces of wooden planking....no thanks....). You have done a brilliant job!!

And I can only agree with the comment regarding L'arsenal open chocks. I bought them for my Emden build - they're a bit big for such a small ship as mine but would suit yours perfectly - the pack comes with both open and closed ones.

And my condolences to you and your family on the passing of your father.

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Only one word applies: WOW!
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Now you see, I'm a basic skills guy - I don't modify, I have never built in resin and I have never used PE. Guess you could say that my work is err, boring. However, this does not preclude me from appreciating the work of others. Mike your 'Zona build is excellent. Love your attention to detail and please keep it up and post pics right through to completion.

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Soooo...when're the other guns supposed to get on!!!!!!
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Mike,

I am really enjoying this build and your craftsmanship is superb! The deck turned out fabulously as well! I especially like what you did with the casemates - if I build Pennsy, I may have to try that with full 5in 51s.

Cheering from the bleachers,

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First of all thank you all for the comment regarding the build, but more importantly the expressions of condolences for my Dad. He was a great guy, and as I am going through his stuff I am learning things about him I never knew.

I've had some time to continue to flog this thing into some resemblance of submission. The basic superstructure is together and painted. The Eduard set folds very well and fits very well. I was anticipating all kinds of horrors getting them to fit, but knock on wood, so far the parts are very easy to work with. Rather than using CA to hold them together, I opted to solder them for strength. I don't know what coating it is that Eduard uses on their brass, or for what purpose, but it really inhibits soldering, so all the parts had to be sanded to bare brass before any soldering could take place. It wasn't a major snag, just added a few extra steps. Rather than drone on with a lengthy narrative, I'll show the pictures and post comments under each one.

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My first "aww crap" moment of the build. It wasn't until AFTER I got the decks painted that I noticed I forgot to lay out the openings for the Paravanes in the deck, plus there was no indication of them at all on the kit hull. Also they really missed the locations of the anchor ways on the deck. According to my drawings in the Stillwell book, the aft ones are molded too far inboard. Sooooo... steeling my nerves, I marked out the new locations on the freshly painted deck, and then glued the brass parts Eduard supplied into place where the opening would be. I then used a small grinder in my Dremel and carefully hogged out the depression for each way. Fortunately, because of the added thickness of the Evergreen over the kit deck, I didn't end up with an oval hole, but a nice oval depression. I then drilled a hole through in the front of each one. I did basically the same for the Paravanes, but I used 1/8 aluminum tube squished into an oval shape, drilled through the bow and up into the deck (sweating bullets the whole time) and then epoxied the tube into place. After the epoxy cured I cut off the excess tube and filed the ends to match the deck and bow profiles. All I have to do now is touch up a small portion of the deck where I had to fill around the tubing. The steel plating for the anchor chains I made form .005 plastic. I made a pattern by enlarging the plans in Stillwell's book to 350th scale, cut the pattern out and glue-stick'ed it to the plastic, then simply cut it out, painted it and tacky glued it into place.

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Here's the Superstructure set in place but not glued together yet. It's all a combination of kit parts, Eduard brass and scratchbuilt structure under the platforms. As I stated before, the Eduard set fits beautifully, and I had no issues getting everything to line up. I did add the structure underneath the first level, so there's no longer a huge opening from one side to the other. Stillwell's book has been invaluable as a reference for those areas. The Stack is also finished. I used the Eduard brass for the shacks on either side, but made my own floor and roof from .010 plastic. This allowed me to paint everything separately, so that when they went together the paint parting lines are very crisp and even.

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Here I have the cranes started, but not complete yet. The instructions that came with Eduard's set was a little vague on the assembly of these, so I had to tear it apart halfway through and start over. The deck plates on the aft deck are .010 plastic that I made using the same technique as the bow plates. The gun tub you see is from the Eduard set. I thought the raised ribs were going to be impossible, but Eduard engineered them really well. They fold over and go into place with little fuss, but you only get one chance to get them right. Additional bending will cause them to break off. The only thing I found is that the ring is too long. There should be an opening in the back, but when rolled to the correct diameter to fit the base, it was completely closed in the back. The simple solution was to trim the ends back to the next rib, and problem solved.

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This rather ugly looking mess is the hull bottom. I am following Mr. Landrum's lead in making new Screw shafts and Supports, so all the openings and placement indicators were filled. I then used 1/8 plastic tube to make the shaft tubes. I'll use the same tube and .030 plastic strip to make the Screw Supports, and 1/16th brass for the shafts themselves.

Thanks for following along. I am dividing the time up between this project and a scratchbuilt Ford Trimotor project, so the next post might be a couple of weeks off. Next steps here will be to sand the tubes and hull, join the top and bottom hull together and do some touch up paintwork. Then I can begin assembling all the sub-assemblies into a completed model. I hope..lol.

Thanks for following along, and as always comment and questions happily accepted.

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Quite amazing!! it seems that you've scrapped a lot of original parts and choose semi-scratchbuid.could you tell me how to shape the brass parts.THANKS!
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:faint: :faint: :big_eyes: :big_eyes: Awesome work! And don't worry so much when you make a mistake! Always remember, I probably did worse.
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Good perseverance in adversity!

There are few things more galling than finding stuff that is wrong halfway thru the build--happens to me quite often!

well rescued! :thumbs_up_1:

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Looking good so far! :thumbs_up_1:
I happen to be building the same kit right now and am using both the WEM and the Eduard etched sheets (or rather a mix of parts from both) plus lots of plasticard and an enormous amount of Milliput. Charles Landrum's build article on this kit is absolutelely invaluable! I have printed it out and it is my Arizona building bible. The kit is one of the wost kits I have seen in years, and the completed model will be at least 50% scratch built since I try to correct as many errors as possible. I'm building a full hull model, but I'd recommend anyone striving for accuracy to build a waterline model since the lower hull is virtually fictitiuos: Torpedo bulges should be deper than the bottom plates, front and rear of the armour plating wrong, bilge keels wrong, docking keels missing, stern too deep making the rudder (which surprisingly is almost correct!) protrude below the rest of the hull (!), the shape of the hull at the stern is grossly asymmetric with the starboard side much deeper than the port, etc. etc. :Mad_5: Some of it can be corrected but not all - unless you scratch build a complete new lower hull. :tongue:

I have not started painting yet ("To blue or to gray - that is the question." :thinking: :pout: ). Still busy scratch building the 5"/51 casemates (will be open) and the bulkheads around them from PC, re-drilling all the portholes on the hull (correcting both positions and the number), adding some PE detailing, and a myrriad of other small details before it finally is time to slap some paint on the hull and the deck.....
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