Calling all USS North Carolina BB-55 & USS Washington BB-56 fans

[Russ2146]

There was a question awhile back on Washington's color at the end of the war.

Here she's headed to the east coast with Enterprise, 11 October 1945

[Bigdaddy Mark]

If anyone is interested I took a bunch of pictures of the North Carolina with modeling in mind this year.
Here is the link for a few of them.

http://www.shutterfly.com/lightbox/view ... 5461762148

If anyone want's I can post more. I think I took 110 pictures.

[nimitz4145]

Here the profile of US Washington as it appears during his Atlantic period :

[Tracy White]

She was in MS 12 Mod for a good part of that:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/56d.htm

[nimitz4145]

She was in MS 12 Mod for a good part of that:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/56d.htm

Thanks a lot for the correction but it will be difficult to find a side view well showing the camo.
The hull is not really a problem but for the rest (turrets, funnels, and so on) it's not the same

[MartinJQuinn]

I have a BB-56 started and not finished since I wanted to do the Ms12 Mod as well. From what I've been able to discern, the pattern is almost identical on both sides, except for maybe the funnels.

[nimitz4145]

I have a BB-56 started and not finished since I wanted to do the Ms12 Mod as well. From what I've been able to discern, the pattern is almost identical on both sides, except for maybe the funnels.

Perhaps but does the pattern look like??? Here is my problem.
I have found :
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/images/splotch2.jpg
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/images/splotch4.jpg
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/images/splotch1.jpg
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/images/splotch3.jpg
on the page http://www.shipcamouflage.com/ships2_9_41_plate_19.htm

On this file, only the funnels seems to have pattern
BB 55

Isn't there such a file with Ms 12 Mod???
MS 32V6

Thanks a lot for help.

Nimitz

[Tracy White]

Measure 12 Mod was an interpreted scheme. The SHIPS_2 Revision 1 booklet that described it did not lay out a pattern or design sheet; it just talked about splotches in general terms and left it up to the yard or ship how to apply them. Consequently, *every* ship is different. Patterns may be similar on both sides but usually are not.

[Jose C]

How different are versions of the NC from Trumpeter, ISW, and CW? I mean regarding accuracy.

[apfelzra]

Hi USS Washington and North Carolina fans,

I am, somewhat laboriously, making progress on building my 1:350 Trumpeter USS North Carolina (engineering defects and all). I have the (quite extensive) Lionroar deluxe photoetch set, which includes two brass bells. I know that one attached at the rear bridge just in front and above the rear turret, but Lionroar's instructions say to install the other one on a similar strut on the conning tower immediately behind turret No. 2. If I do this, though, there is no room for the turret to rotate, lest the bell (and mounting) be knocked off by one of the turret's rangefinders. I've looked at several photos of the ship in its late war configuration and can't see a bell in that location; on the USS North Carolina today, the bell has apparently been placed atop a deck fixture between the rear turret guns and the fantail. So should I just leave off this second bell? And one more thing -- where were the twin Oerlikons mounted, and how many such twin mounts were there on this ship at war's end? Thanks for your help.

[Russ2146]

Here she is in 1945:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/015596.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/0155013.jpg

[robertmelvin]

First, I apologize if I missed a post on this topic while going through this thread and I'm being repetitive. I'm getting ready to start on my build of Trumpy's 1/350 U.S.S. North Carolina and I'm debating which PE set (or sets) to use. I've read some good reviews of the Lionroar and WEM sets, but I recently saw a set which Eduard has produced for her that looked pretty good. Has anybody had any experience with Eduard's upgrade set and if so, what are your opinions? Is is alright stand alone, or does it need to be supplemented by another manufacturer's set?
No matter which set or sets of PE I use I'll also add the G-Factor propellers, some turned brass barrels for the 16" and 5" guns and will probably add L'Arsenal's 1.1 machine gun sets.
So, guys, what are your suggestions and recommendations?

Thanks in advance?

Bob

[apfelzra]

Hi Bob,

I can only speak for the Lionroar superdetail kit, which I am currently using (and approaching completion) on the Trump 1:350 North Carolina. It's quite extensive, and includes the brass propellers and 16-in. and 5-in. brass gun barrels, and two bells. My only real complaints with it are (1) the 40-mm gun shields are too shallow, so that, when in place, the plastic kit's 40 mm gun barrels are mostly on top of them rather than fitting into the slots provided, (2) the instructions state to position the forward bell onto the front of the conning tower, directly behind the second turret. If the turret is rotated, the bell and its mounting bracket would be knocked off. The actual location of the forward bell seems to be on a small strut (mot provided) attached to the front of the upper bridge tower, and (3) there are additional photoetch parts that are not identified in the instructions and so the modeler must guess as to where they should be placed (or even if they should be used). If you plan to build the ship in a 1942 configuration without any 40 mm guns, then at least one of these caveats would be eliminated. As usual with Lionroar, the 20 mm guns are too 2-dimensional, but the single mounts are a little more realistic in this respect than the twin mounts. Fortunately, there are enough extra parts to double up on the twin mounts' thickness, and the tripod mounting bases (rather than solid cones) for both single and double mounts are a nice touch. The gun shields have a small central mounting bracket that positions them below and in front of the gun barrel base, for additional realism. The kit also includes instructions to use various thicknesses of short plastic rods (e.g., 0.2, 0.3 and 0.5mm) which the kit does not provide, but these are, for me, easily approximated with stretched sprue.

[EN2Boger]

Are there any pictures of the North Carolina wearing MS12 Mod?? I am wanting to do my 1/700 Trumpeter as she looked 1942.
This is the only one I could find

is her port side the same, and are the turrets, and everything else the same as MS12?


Thanks
Donnie

[Cliffy B]

Try her NavSource page Dannie

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/55a.htm

If you can get a copy of "Warship Pictorial # 29 - North Carolina-Class Battleships" there is a nice 6 page spread of high resolution close ups of her in Ms. 12 Modified. If you need some specific shots I can scan a few pages for you if you'd like.

-Mike

[EN2Boger]

thanks, I'll see if I can get a copy, mainly Im wondering if the the turrets are painted the same as MS12 as the superstructre.

[EN2Boger]

found and bought a copy for 17.97, the rest where over a hundred bucks

[Cliffy B]

Hey hey! Congrats on the find man It always feels great to find someone willing to sell a hard to find book for a reasonable price instead of a ridiculous mark up.

From looking through the photos, the turrets as well as everything above the main deck was painted as the superstructure. The hull was the only part to have 5-O and 5-N. Everything else was 5-O and 5-H. Also, if I remember correctly her port and starboard patterns differed so the photos will be crucial in getting all of the splotches in the correct spot. There's a color profile painting in the book of her starboard side but not of the port.

Wish you luck with your build and don't forget to post photos as you go

-Mike

[EN2Boger]

thanks, I guess I'll wait for the book to get here before I start, this picture was throwing me off

[Cliffy B]

She was painted that way upon commissioning but was re-painted into Ms.12 Mod shortly after the war started IIRC. The book catalogs all of her camo schemes and has color profiles for each. There's also a time line of the ship's history as well as BB-56s. For future reference, Steve Wiper's Warship Pictorial books are invaluable resources for the modeler and artist alike.

-Mike