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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:52 am 
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Haven't posted here in a long while, but I thought people might be interested to see this build as it's not a kit you often see built - maybe it'll inspire anyone else who has this kit gathering dust in the attic to give it a try!

It's a 1/48 scale model of a 55ft Coastal Motor Boat (CMB). These were basically the predecessors of the WW2 MTB and were built by Thorneycroft. They were of all-wood construction and developed from a pre-war motor speedboat, which is certainly evident in the boat's lines and stepped planing hull! The torpedoes (one in the smaller 40-foot variant, two in the 55 and 72-footers) were launched from the stern. Two CMBs are on display in British museums (a 40-footer at Duxford and a 72-footer at Chatham Dockyard) but no WW1 55-footers survive, though MTB-331, built in 1941, is a later modification of the 55ft design. Google "WW1 Coastal Motor Boat" for more information.

The kit (resin) was produced by TC Models, a small South Africa-based producer who have been out of business for some years AFAIK. They also produced a kit of a 40ft CMB as well as several 1/48 aircraft including a WW1 Short Seaplane. Other than a couple of 1/200 (tiny for boat this size) white metal models, the TC kits are the only commercial models of WW1 CMBs that I know of. YS Masterpieces have recently produced an excellent 1/35 resin kit of a 55-footer, but this is a post-war type used by the Greek Navy (it might well be suitable for conversion to a RN WW1 type, though)


The hull is a two piece (upper and lower) resin casting. Torpedo bodies, launching pistons, front hatch cowl, storage locker and some smaller fittings are also resin, and the Lewis guns are white metal castings. Everything else is photo-etched brass - brass wire and tube are also provided for making up the masts, prop shafts etc. The casting quality of the resin is reasonable with few air bubbles. However, the smallest parts (cowl vents and wheel) were so difficult to remove from the casting blocks that I substituted them with parts from the spares box. The PE is very good quality though without any relief etching. It's quite heavy gauge brass (about 0.5mm) which is appropriate for the large scale and the substantial nature of most of the parts (cabin, torpedo guide rails, etc.) it's used for.

The worst part of the kit by far is the instructions. You basically get a few paragraphs of text, giving (along with a brief history of the CMB) a very cursory and vague description of how to assemble the kit; numerous very grainy, poor-quality and small photocopies of photos of a finished model; and a similarly grainy photocopy of a contemporary photo in a book. There is no information, dimensions or drawings provided for assembling the masts, torpedoes, gun mounts or other subassemblies, nor any information on rigging. At least the painting instructions (basically "paint it grey"!) are adequate - as far as I know, most of these boats in RN service were painted overall grey, even the lower hull.

To summarise, despite the reasonable quality of the kit parts, it would be a serious challenge even for an experience modeller to actually build this kit. With the average WW2 or post-war warship, it would be fairly easy to find other reference sources to help with the build, but there appears to be very little out there on the CMB. I could only find a handful of photos of RN CMBs, many very low-res and/or not very clear.

However, my web searches eventually turned up something more useful - the NMM website has several high-res photos of a large, detailed model - not sure if this is a contemporary "builder's" model or not, though the style is similar. It's a different variant of the 55' CMB from the kit, having a single torpedo and depth-charge racks, but appears to be identical otherwise. These photos were invaluable for assembling, detailing and rigging my model, but also showed up just how many details were missing from the TC kit! I ended up scratchbuilding or modifying almost all of the fittings and details, though the basic hull is unmodified (as are the torpedoes)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:55 am 
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This isn't going to be a "step by step" build log for the most part - the model is about two-thirds finished now anyway - but I thought some photos of the build in progress might still be of interest! Unfortunately I didn't think to take any photos of the kit parts before starting.

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The first stage was to fit the hull halves together. Even after plenty of sanding, there was still a noticeable gap where the halves meet, especially at the bow, so a fair amount of filler was needed. The upper hull half was also slightly too short at the bow, so the I cut the tip off and replaced it with a bit of styrene sheet carved to shape. The filling + sanding also took away most of the hull strake at the point where the halves meet, so I built it up from styrene strip (shown in the next update)

I also drilled out the engine skylights, which will later be glazed, and added a piece of styrene sheet underneath to blank them off. The forward hatch also got a "floor" added in the same way.

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All of the "running gear" has to be built up from brass wire + tube. The 3-bladed props are supposed to be made from PE blades attached to short lengths of brass tube. I thought these would be both extremely tricky to get the blades all correctly positioned and angled, and also very vulnerable to damage, so instead modified a couple of plastic props from the spares box, drilled out to fit on the brass prop shaft.

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The model is starting to take shape now with the addition of hull details, both kit and scratch. The display base was made using the kit stand (a resin casting intended to resemble gravel with wooden support pilings) on a piece of varnished oak wood. The kit also has a resin nameplate which I added later. A couple of brass pegs, glued into the base and fitting into holes drilled in the hull underside, hold the model securely in place.

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The torpedo launching gear is mostly built using the kit resin + PE parts. The guide rails were trimmed slightly at the ends to match the museum model. Minor details added to the hull include rigging eyebolts, flag staff holder (the staff itself will be added later) and the two mushroom-shaped objects on the starboard side (don't have a clue what these are for)

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Bow details include a "bullnose" bow fairlead, mooring bollard, skylight surrounds, and cowl vents (Airfix kit spares replacing the unusuable kit casting). The windshield cowl for the forward hatch is an unmodified kit part, luckily there were no problems with this casting as it'd have been difficult to scratchbuild!

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I built up the interior of the PE cabin frames with styrene strip, to give a more substantial appearance as well as making them easier to glue together "square". I also added the missing hatch cover to the roof (the cover itself isn't shown in this photo, it will be glued on once the cabin is assembled) as well as the mount for the torpedo aiming device (ditto) and the frame for the glass windshield (much like that on a contemporary racing car!) in front of the hatch.

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Ok, now I'm really, really envious. :big_grin:

Ever since I saw the Chatham CMB back in my salad days I wanted one but always thought they were unavailable in a larger scale.

Best of luck with your build which so far looks very good! :thumbs_up_1:

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JWintjes wrote:
Ok, now I'm really, really envious. :big_grin:

Ever since I saw the Chatham CMB back in my salad days I wanted one but always thought they were unavailable in a larger scale.


If you can afford the 320-euro price tag, the YS Masterpieces 1/35 kit looks to be a much better option than the old TC Models one (though it isn't an original RN boat, it can be converted):
http://www.ysmasterpieces.com/custom_se ... ycroft.htm

What was the Chatham CMB (this is a 72-footer built in the '20s) like when you saw it? Last month when I visited Chatham they appeared to finally be making some progress on restoring it. I took a few photos, will get round to posting them in the CASF thread (viewtopic.php?f=52&t=42223) later.

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The torpedoes were built completely "out of the box", they have a resin body, 4 seperate fins and two-part props in PE. The ends of the warheads will be hidden by the launcher pistons, so the lack of any detonators/arming vanes etc. isn't a problem.

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One of the torpedoes in its launch trough. The other one wouldn't fit (the resin insert for the torpedo troughs was slightly warped, I only discovered this after assembling the hull + adding the PE torpedo guide rails) so will be displayed next to the boat on the base.

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CMBs usually carried at least one twin Lewis .303 MG mount for anti-air defence, the kit provides two PE mounts and at least four guns (mine had eight guns, but I'm not sure if this is standard for all kits!) The kit instructions only show one gun mount, in front of the cabin; based on the museum model and contemporary photos, I'm going to put one on the cabin roof and one aft between the torpedo cradles.

The kit PE mounts are rather two-dimensional looking, so I replaced the lower part with a length of brass tube and an eyelet. The result matches the mount on the NMM model fairly closely.

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The kit provides brass wire in various gauges to make the masts (but no dimensions or drawings!). However, the masts on the CMB were not the usual solid cylindrical spars, but were pylon-like structures, made from two thin strips (not sure whether these were metal or wood) with 3 solid spacers in between.
I scratchbuilt these using thin strips of brass (leftover PE "sprue") with spacers from Evergreen square styrene. The yards on the real boat had the same structure, but I simplified things and made them from thin brass strip.


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Rather than attempt to mask the cabin, I decided to first airbrush the hull, then fit the cabin and interior details, and brush-paint the grey cabin exterior. Here you can see the airbrushed model. The paint I used was Revell acrylic Medium Grey, which seems to be a reasonable match for WW1 RN "battleship grey"; looks OK to me anyway!
CMBs appear to have been painted entirely grey, even the hull below the waterline. The NMM model has a varnished wood cabin interior, which may not be historically accurate given that the model also has polished brass fittings, rudders and guns, but I decided to paint my model this way anyway to give a bit of visual contrast.

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Nice to see you back Edward and some very nice work there, I see you still haven't lost your interest of the more 'unusual' naval vessels.

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johndon wrote:
Nice to see you back Edward and some very nice work there, I see you still haven't lost your interest of the more 'unusual' naval vessels.

John


Thanks! I know it seems like I build all sorts of weird stuff, but this is more to do with my preference for larger scales than anything else - the available plastic kits in 1/200+ scale cover a very eclectic and random selection of subjects. I've rather gone off building in 1/350 and 1/400 scale because of the high cost of all the new kits and the necessity of buying equally expensive PE sets to finish them to a decent standard (it's easier to scratchbuild detail in larger scales).

The CMB fits in with both my main areas of ship modelling interest, smaller "coastal forces" type craft and vessels from the earlier periods of powered warship development (mid 1800s to WW1). I'd like to build a larger scale R/C CMB one day - and have a set of plans and a magazine article on building one - but the unusual hull shape makes it very difficult to scratchbuild (more like building an aircraft than a ship!)

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Cabin interior details - instrument panel, seat, compass, wheel, chart table and torpedo launcher rods. All are scratchbuilt other than the wheel which is a modified spare from an Airfix 1/72 Schnellboot.

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Cabin parts painted (Revell Leather Brown drybrushed with craft acrylics) and ready for assembly.


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Assembled cabin interior. This is as close as I could get to the photos of the NMM model. The latter has a different shape for the front of the "cockpit" (smoothly curved, rather than 3-sided as on the TC kit), whether this is a design variation or (most likely) an inaccuracy with the TC kit, I don't know, but I didn't attempt to modify this as it would be very hard to fix (involving carving out a lot of solid resin) and isn't particularly noticeable anyway once the cabin is in place.

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Cabin assembled in place. The U-shaped frame at the front will have a clear windshield added later, the socket next to it is for the torpedo aiming sight.

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The completed cabin.

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Wow. That is seriously impressive. :thumbs_up_1:

As for the CMB, if I remember it correctly it was stashed away on the side where now the RNLI exhibiton is. That must have been in, oh, '87? Something around that date; Chatham was fairly new back then.

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This is a very sweet kit! I really love it!
Please paint it the very best way you can.
It derserves to be morphed into a true gem.
I wish you all the best during this endevour, Edward!
Veeeery interesting!

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I am so really glad to see this kit being built!!

its not very common--and these days really quite rare!


As an interesting aside--I have in my stash, from the same company

the TURBINIA kit!!

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I have no idea when if ever I shall build it--its rather a large scale for me-- but a nice thing to have!

EP- your models looks really interesting!


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beside the shape of the hull, i really love this kinda "hot rod moment" with the pilot seat directly upon the propeller shaft. :smallsmile:
I guess after three missions with that boat, one does not need the revmeter anymore... :heh:
Its really a cool subject.
Thanks for digging it out!

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if you should have any problems to empty your stash, regarding "Turbinia"...drop me a line. :cool_2:
I will not fear to clean up and sharpen 9 resin propellers....:-)))

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Ho-Hum!

A Turbinia kit???

Jim, put me as no 2 on the list... :big_grin:

I've spent quite some time with her last year, right down to touching her hull when noone was looking (yeah, ok, so I was a bad boy... :big_grin: ).

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Thanks to all for the positive comments.. the CMB is now virtually finished but I haven't been able to post any updates as the PC with the photos on has been hit by a particularly nasty virus/worm/trojan (Win32/Ramnit/A if that means anything) - so have spent the last couple of days trying to get rid of it.

The tubes in the cockpit are for the torpedo launching pistons, not the prop shafts - but as they were fired with cordite charges, would still have been alarming for the "pilot"! I suspect the seat wasn't directly mounted on the tube, but I couldn't find any references for it, and assembled it this way as the area under the seat isn't really visible once the cabin is in place.

Totally forgot about the TC Turbinia kit, I remember now you (JB) had it on your sale list a few years ago in the trading post forum. Regarding the props, if it's anything like the CMB the propellors aren't resin but individual etched brass blades which you're supposed to glue onto short bits of brass tube... bad enough with 2 let alone 9! I substituted plastic props from the spares box, but definitely don't have enough matching ones for Turbinia!

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Finally got the PC working again with the help of multiple "anti-malware" programs, so here's the next update:

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The Lewis gun mounts are now in place, along with the torpedo aiming sight and cabin hatch windshield.

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Boathooks are made using the kit PE parts on poles made from styrene rod.

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Nearly complete now! Weathering and rigging (including the ensign flag + halyard) are the next and final stages.

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I am completely green with envy. CMBs, MTBs, MGBs and HDMLs are my favourite classes... Really nice work
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Finally done! The paint is Revell acrylic "Medium Grey" (actually more of a light grey), and rigging is with dark grey "invisible mending thread". The White Ensign was printed out on paper and is rigged on a silk thread halyard. I put one of the torpedoes on the base, as it wouldn't fit on the boat (the torpedo trough casting is slightly warped, which I only discovered when I tried to fit the torpedoes in place)

Hopefully my CMB will be appearing at the Nationals (on the "Earley Risers" club stand) though I will not be attending as I'm going to the Model Boat Show (Warwickshire exhibition centre) on the same weekend.

I definitely enjoyed this build despite the kit's deficiencies, and will keep an eye out for the 40-footer kit!

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That looks really, really nice! :thumbs_up_1:

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nice model!- glad to see it built!!

but... The ensign.... the Union Jack should be at the hoist end( adjacent to the flagpole!!! )

I would also have it hoisted higher up the staff....

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