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Kronma 77
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:36 pm 
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JIM BAUMANN wrote:
2) My instinct tells me they may be the same colour as the superstructure--based on the the levels of the colour band aligning exactly with the upper levels of the of the superstructure...

I believe, that your instinct isn't mistaken. :smallsmile:
I hope, it will be interesting and useful to you to look at these photos of the previous icebreaker, which has been build by Armstrong - YERMAK.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:48 pm 
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JIM BAUMANN wrote:
Some plans indicate that the area ahead of the bridge-to-the breakwater was all timber--other plans ( and some models' suggest that area may have had lino covering....

It is a fragment of YERMAK`s deck area near the bridge - you can see only a wooden covering.

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I don't know, whence the legend about this linoleum was born.
Probably - from the wrong old shipmodel-drawing. :smallsmile:
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:23 pm 
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Thank you for your kind guidance.... :thumbs_up_1:

I think I will now start taking things off the model again! :big_grin: and add a new deck....

Thankyou also for the excellent images of Yermack- will be useful for my impending dioarama project of Yermack-in-ice-with-Apraxin... in 1/700


As the Kombrig kit depicts the ship before the bow extension--usefully the Apraxin event occurred before then also!! :thumbs_up_1:


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Kronma 77 wrote:
Probably - from the wrong old shipmodel-drawing. :smallsmile:


That what I was thinking too Kronma. Modelist Konstructor drawings from 1978? :)

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DariusP wrote:
Modelist Konstructor drawings from 1978? :)

Yes! :thumbs_up_1: :big_grin:

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Thank you

You are welcome! :smallsmile:
It is the answer to your question about the KRASIN`s breakwater.

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Once, the BIG guns have been established in these points of the deck (along the breakwater edges). :smallsmile:

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Via the Polar Ru forum I came across this Russian language documentary about Krasin

there are a few useful scenes therein-tantalising glipmses-most inspirational - especially showing the amount of ice on the hull sides and on deck

a nice scene of the Junkers being unloaded as well


this is the link--its quite a big file 362 mb- but worth it to obsessive Krassin studiers.... :big_grin: :thumbs_up_1:


http://www.polarpost.ru/video/Ledokol_Krasin.avi

Its a bit tricky to grab screen shots...

cheers

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The crew has a rest in the ship`s library. 1935.
It`s visible from a composition, that five persons around a table... have conversation!
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Kronma, second photo from the top (with BIG gun :) ) Do you know if breakwater sides were cut out to allow 305mm guns better arcs of fire or were they always of this shape?

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DariusP wrote:
Were breakwater sides cut out to allow 305mm guns better arcs of fire or were they always of this shape?

These guns were established by Armstrong when the icebreaker built.
The guns have removed later, but the breakwater`s form has remained.
I believe, this form always was the same, irrespective of the guns.
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Thanks :thumbs_up_1:

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Well... it had to happen!

not satisfied with the compromises of the starting point kit hull ...--that I was simply compounding with assumptions and partly wishful thinking....

along with the not-so-perfect-casting--based on the not-so-perfect-plans....

I have now materially retrogressed significantly- back to way beyond what was in the kit box when I opened it...! :big_grin:

-but feel rather more satisfied with a new more positive direction to embark upon the build....--guided by you gentlemen! :thumbs_up_1:


After removal of paint, strakes, all deckhouses, paring the upper surface down by 1mm to accomodate the thickness of the new decklayer, and extensive re-shaping of the hull midships; to create the greater accentuated tumblehome that has become very apparent and easier tu judge after viewing the movie clips as well as from study of some of the much better quality photos I have received...

I now have virtually clean slate to work from.... :thumbs_up_1:
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maxim wrote:
I cannot see the cowl skirt on your photos. The lower part of vents appears to be black. This appears to be the most "logic" colour.

Any idea about the colours of the Junkers JuG-1? Green or Orange?


Last time I read book about this in my childhood and I think Junkers has been red?
Am I right, can anybody correct me?
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right--the plans--that aopear to have been errnoeus in ther area of funnel cowl, breakwater among just a few

seem to be endeavouring to lead me down garden path....

The plan shows a veritable forest of vents midships.

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all the models that i have seen to date --that have been built following 'the plan'- funnel skirt et al-- have this forest of vents.

Yet I cannot see in any photo--as yet-- a clear indication that the smaller vents are present on the real ship,

either in arctic use or alongside...

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the small vent ahead of the aft funnel seems present in all images- but not on the plan..(??!!)
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Consulting Kronma and Cereberus jf ,and comparing with photos of Yermack suggest that the vents were removable

Some photos do show the odd deck-side vent installed--but never all at the same time that are indicated on the plans for the model ...

I will install some short stumps with lids--as per images of Yermack( courtesy of Kronma)

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The model is making progress-albeit slowly!

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Further to the most helpful discussion ref the breakwater...

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among other progress on the model the fwd windlass has now been completed and installed

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as well as the aft windlass/ winch

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My model of Krassin is nearly finished now-after endless hours f agonising er the muntia....

just need to rig her .....

the build thread consists of 3 pages so far

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My Krassin mdel is now completed!

Thanks you to everyone who assisted!

there will be a full feature in the gallery soon

Jim Baumann :wave_1:

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Very nice :thumbs_up_1:

The weathering of the hull is really impressive!

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