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Thanks for the comments Dino... I have been to Mikasa a couple of times when I have been in Japan but I have always been there when it was closed... So, if you get a chance, a few onboard photo's posted on here will be very much appreciated although the current fit is not accurate for either version of the Hasgegawa kit they will be immensely useful. I have been following your thread too... and it is seriously impressive. Great work :thumbs_up_1:

OK... I have been REALLY busy lately at work... a lot going on so have been out of circulation for two or three weeks.

I was lucky enough to have been able to spend a few days in New York (managed to miss the snow in England as well... which was a bonus!) and while there met up with Martin Quinn on the Friday before I flew back.

I was really good meeting Martin and we managed a chat over a beer for an hour or so... with a promise we would do another parallel build later in the year. Not sure what it will be, but probably either Dreadnought or Warspite, simply because there are two absolutely stunning models available now and with the Pontosmodel update kits it would be insane to miss the opportunity. I can't believe how much ship modelling has changed over the past ten or so years... back then we could only dream of the kits we have now and the quality of aftermarket parts... the idea of a plastic Hood, Warspite, QE, Dreadnought et al and all great kits... well, we would have been laughed out of Telford for even dreaming of it...! Anyway Martin, it was great to meet you and chat about modelling for a short time... next time, a beer and a meal should be on the cards... :thumbs_up_1:

OK.. back to Mikasa.

When I got back from New York it was a struggle to work out where I was and what I wanted to do next, so, after a few days of detailed planning (staring at the box and instructions and very little else! :big_grin: ) I decided that despite my earlier plan, I would do some work with my airbrush and paint the hull and decks. I had bought a new Iwata Neo airbrush at Telford last year and wanted to use it... My god... it's brilliant to use. The Neo is the cheap version, less than �50, but to be honest, it is the easiest airbrush to use and clean I have ever had. The threads on the fittings are a bit 'iffy' and the build quality of the interior parts are a little cheap (a bit like a budget tool kit rather than something really expensive... it looks the same, but feels a little different) but it's amazing value for money and all it does is make me want to buy one of the bigger models in the future. I have used Badger 100's and 200's and a host of other airbrushes, but this FEELS so much better. A definite recommendation. :thumbs_up_1:

OK... back to Mikasa... really this time!

Here are a few photo's of what I have airbrushed so far. There is nothing new modelling wise, but I need to start somewhere and as I am the master procrastinator, perhaps this will give me the incentive I need to keep going and not start another kit (Dreadnought is beckoning but honestly Jim... I AM resisting!)

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Hull sides. I airbrushed this using Tamiya Acylics, Hull Red and Kure Grey. They were thinned 50/50 with Tamiya x-20A thinner and very low airbrush pressure. I drilled out all the portholes which took a while...

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Same... just a different angle. Just remembered I HAVE actually added something. I did the prop shafts and rudder. No modification although I was tempted for a while... but have left the shafts hull red because having taken Jim's advice and looked at a number of dry dock photo's, as many were painted the same as the underside or contained in a sheath as were bare metal... so I took the lazy way out... and brass, which is suggested in the instructions is VERY unlikely... Image a prop shaft made of brass!

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If you remember, I have the Hasegawa wooden deck set for this ship. (BTW... my questions regarding gluing this in place are redundant. There is a clear film on the underside and when peeled off there is a self adhesive coating. It seems very strong, so, unless anyone has experience to the contrary, I am going to simply use the self adhesive backing. In order to get all the decks done I needed to airbrush the fittings in grey. I am shortly going to spray all the paintwork with Future and then add a wash of burnt umber or similar and then weather and then matt, followed by dry brushing in the original colour and a lighter shade or two... Once that has been done and any detail painting, I will then place the wooden decks.

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I also airbrushed the funnel assemblies and they look pretty good too. The shadows caused by the lighting above enhance the errors on the placement of the funnel rings... they look MUCH better in real life thankfully.

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Finally, a shot of the stern. I had originally wanted to add the walkway and torpedo net shelves before painting the hull but changed my mind. The detail on the Hasegawa kit is pretty impressive if airbrushed in thin, heavily thinned coats and allowed to harden.

That's all for now. Going to get out the Future and get a nice hard coat to protect the paintwork prior to washes and drybrushing...
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Very nice work Bill.

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Nice to see you back modelling Bill, i also have the NEO great little tool and the price, well, need i say more :big_grin:
I also have my eye on the trigger style by Iwata tried it out at Telford but funds were lacking.

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Hi All,

Well after a little bit of a break after finding myself redundant again... (no big deal, it was a terrible company and I'm not too upset - and it gives me the incentive to do what I should have done a long time ago... start my own business!)

Right... where was I? Oh yes... Mikasa :wave_1:

Well, I airbrushed varnish pre to decalling (draft marks) and somehow or other I managed to trash the paint job. I'm not sure if it was the Future, or the decal softening agents reacting with the Future, which is odd. It has happened before, but not often and a LONG time ago. Still, I sanded it all down and resprayed, but to no avail. I still had some rough paint under the prop guards and set the whole thing aside for a while to decide what to do. The choices were strip the paint off and start again, or something much more dramatic. With encouragement from Jim, I decided on the more dramatic path... here we go... :big_grin:

Step 1 - The damaged paintwork

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Step 2 - Cutting the hull bottom off with my Dremel

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Step 3 - Making progress

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Step 4 - The two halves

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Step 5 - The finished cut

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Step 6 - Sand down the cut and respray and I'm now ready to restart the project, this time as a waterline model :thumbs_up_1:

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Step 7 - Admire! :big_grin:

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Actually, now I have actually done this, I'm much happier. It looks much more like the sort of model I build, so I can now get on without worrying about how much, or how little, to weather the ship, whether to add crew, what extra detailing should I add and so on... It feels right now and anyway, I would always have had that poor paint under the prop shafts niggling away in the back of my head. I guess I'm just not a 'full hull' type of builder :big_grin:
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Good to see you back in action.
If I were you I'd glue the hully to a stabile base plate quickly. Whenever I cut the hull they tend to "go bananas" with time, meaning bow and stern lift up. That's maybe just 2mm, but it's quite annoying having to deal with it once more detail is added!
Keep up the good work and Good Luck with your new enterprise!
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It looks great as a waterline model. Great job on the cut Bill. I'm glad you went this route. I think having the lower hull would taken :smallsmile: away from the ship.
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Waterlined, oh yes :woo_hoo:


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Nice!! I have to say, I like her better waterlined too!
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Thank you for all your comments... well, after the drama of cutting off the lower hull I ended up getting busy elsewhere... and the weather here doesn't help either... in fact, I should be out in the sun now instead of messing around in here! :big_grin:

OK... Having made the cut and waterlining her, I decided I would do as much as possible to the hull before mounting her on the sea base. That includes the admirals walkway and torpedo net shelves, shelf brackets, booms, rolled torpedo net itself, plus davits and other hull details.

The first thing was the torpedo net shelves. They sit quite low on the Mikasa hull sides and are pretty long.

Hasegawa instructions...

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Lion Roar Detail Set Instructions...

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The LionRoar shelves provided seem to be designed to fit on top of the existing moulded shelf parts, with instructions to cut off the armoured casemate doors and use replacement brass parts, again from the Lion Roar set. Either that, or the two numbers joined on the Lion Roar instructions don't mean 'add to' at all, they mean 'alternate'... Either way, I was absolutely NOT going to use the plastic shelves provided with the kit... much too crude and heavy. So I decided to use the Lion Roar shelves on their own and then add all the details such as shelf brackets and so on afterwards...

Torpedo net shelves fitted...

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Once both sides had been fitted and aligned correctly, it was obvious that this was going to be a much better than the basic kit parts... but I needed brackets and the photo's I have of Mikasa of the period I am modelling were not clear as to what they actually should look like. They looked to me like 45 degree braces from the outer lip to the hull sides from the poor photo's I have... as you can see...

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Looking at other, similar ships built at Armstrong at around the same time didn't help massively as I still wasn't absolutely certain so, as we all do in situations like this, I phoned Jim Baumann to see if he had any ideas. He agreed they were likely be 45 degree brackets, but would check if he had anything to give us a better idea... and of course he found a Photo of Fuji (1897) with a relatively clear photo of the brackets. Jim confirmed they were 45 degree to the hull sides and then saw there was a gusset in place and asked if I had a WEM Koenig PE set in 350... Well, me being me, of course I had... so I went and looked and sure enough, there were a whole set of brackets that where pretty much identical to those on Fuji and therefore would be ideal for Mikasa (the shelf position is different, but I can't believe the brackets are!).

Anyway, for those that follow this build and want to do something similar themselves, here are the pictures... First, the full frame of Fuji (1897)

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This is a cropped section of the same photo...

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Obviously I'm losing quality, but it is clear enough...

The brackets in the WEM Koenig set...

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So, now all I have to do is cut and trim all of these as I go, making sure the spacing is accurate enough to pass muster... luckily I can do this with the hull upside down so it'll be considerably easier... I can then fit the booms and then airbrush everything. I have a plan for the rolled netting and will airbrush the casemate doors separately, as they will hinge down over the net and so have to be added last.

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Anyway, this is what I am doing this evening... slow, but proving to be fun! :thumbs_up_1:
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:thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


good clean fun...

Wel done mate


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You Mikasa is looking very very sharp Bill! The torpedo net shelf definitely looks better in PE only and with the addition of the support underneath it will look awesome!

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HI Bill


Bill,when some thing disturbs you ,Least that we can say, it is you cut in the heart of the matter!
Your model promises to be a beautiful success :thumbs_up_1:
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LE BOSCO wrote:
Bill,when some thing disturbs you ,Least that we can say, it is you cut in the heart of the matter!
Thats because my ambition outweighs my skill by some considerable margin...!

It's people like you, or Jim B or Kostas... and a number of others on here, that cause a few of us to struggle with things way beyond our natural ability...! :big_grin:

Anyway, so far...

I managed to get the torpedo netting supports done... complete nightmare. Tiny, tiny parts and there are 90 of them all told. I thought it would therapeutic... nope... I t almost drove me mad and I stopped a few times to experiment with other ideas for later on to relieve the boredom. I still haven't finished... I have the other side to do yet!

Last time I posted I said I was going to do the brackets with the model upside down as it would be easier... well it was... but if anyone can come with an idea that makes it less tedious I would love to hear it...!

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Finally managed to finish one side... :woo_hoo:

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I have to admit, it does look considerably better than the kit provided parts and the brackets add quite a lot to the overall effect, so, painful as it was, it was well worth it.

Ok. Couldn't face the other side right away so I decided to do something a little more interesting which needs to be done in this phase anyway... the admirals walkway.

Thanks to two visits to Mikasa when I was in Japan, and a set of photo's sent to me by a friend a few weeks ago, I have several great photo's of the admirals walkway. Quite a lot of the ship has changed over the years and so isn't always a perfect reference for anyone modelling Mikasa at Tsushima, but I dont expect the walkway to have changed much, it certainly looks much the same as in photo's of that period... and anyway, it if it had, who would know :big_grin:

Of course, as always, the one photo I needed was the one photo I hadn't got... Hadn't even thought of taking the photo when I was visiting it...

It was the floor(?) of the walkway. I would have thought it would have been a grating. It's quite low and a solid floor would get pretty damn slippery... But was it wood, was it a steel grating or what...? I'll worry about that later. The first thing to do was to see if I could modify the parts provided...

I started off cutting off the moulded on support brackets... simply because I thought after all the messing around on the torpedo net shelving I could hardly let them pass, now could I?

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However, within a few minutes, and noticing the upper surface had in fact got a mesh texture to it, I realised that no matter how much I modified the kit part it would still look too heavy and too crude... and the Admirals walkway on Mikasa is quite a prominent detail... there are quite ornate railings and the ships name on a plate... and lots of gold detail painting to do as well. So, I decided to make my own.

I used the kit part as a template and cut some very fine mesh to the approximate size. I tried edging it will brass rod... hopeless, I tried making a frame with sheet... even worse... in the end I made an outer frame with some plastic strip and then sanded it to shape along with the mesh.

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It took quite a while and the shape was quite difficult and the was a LOT of test fitting as I went... but in the end, some four hours or five hours later, I managed to get it done... well nearly, I'll glue it on and add the top (wooden) rail and nameplate later... The test fitting as I made it went well, it stays in place on the moulded on guide...

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Don't worry about the railing bent away from the hull sides in this picture... it's temporary. I have a great photo of how the railings finish and butt up against the hull, so I need to keep the entire rail at the current length in order to do it... so, as I said, I bent them out of the way for the moment.

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Right... I suppose I had better get on with the torpedo net shelf brackets on the other side now...

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Bill,

Superb work, outstanding.....so much detail :woo_hoo:

The walk way is not supported underneath?? Probably when you fixed the railing :smallsmile:

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There should be diagonal braces under the Admiral's walkway - a pic in the museum book included in the Yellow Sea kit shows them. I made them out of styrene rod on my version, but I'm sure you can do a much finer job on them than I ;)
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Hi guys, thanks for the comments :thumbs_up_1:

As I said in the text of my post, the walkway is not fixed in place yet. There are still some details that need to be added and I want to airbrush it before fixing in permanently in place as there is quite a lot of detail painting that will be too difficult once mounted.

As far as reference pictures are concerned, again, I have quite a lot... something like twenty just on the walkway. I'll share a few here for reference and you can see the support brackets and the other details quite clearly...

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As you can see from this picture, I have a very good reference for the support brackets and overall look.

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Close up of the brackets themselves

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This is a good shot showing the angle of the brackets and will help getting the look right

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This shows the wooden edging and rail clearly and again gives a feel of the overall appearance.

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This shows the way the railing fits into the side of the hull... one of the reasons that it was important to get the size of the platform itself right as the Lion Roar PE railing are a fixed length and it was important to me to get the railing to end properly. Notice the diagonal missing from the end where it meets the hull side? That was why I folded the ends of the PE back out when temporarily fitted in place. I can cut the same diagonal away as it will fit exactly the same way and make it pretty accurate. I can also get the wood painted and the gold painted details...

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For anyone else building this, note that the Lion Roar railings are relief etched and the little detail at each cross point are etched into the brass. This means there is an inside and an outside to the railings. When fitting the railing in place make sure you bend it the right way round!

I need to thin the base a little and sand in the curved profile then and add the round section wooden top rail (and the support brackets, but they will be added once the assembly is fitted in place!). I'm going to use some very thin round evergreen or stretched sprue for that and paint it before fitting so I get a clean line.

I'll post the completed walkway once it is done... Hopefully later today as I can't face the other torpedo net brackets just yet!
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Hello Bill :wave_1:
Good luck for this great assembly.
For me a strange way of working but the result is superb. :thumbs_up_1:

I follow this post with attention.

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Very very good indeed mate!
When I first saw the images ....Iactually shouted ....

" NOOOoooooooooooo.....!!!.. "

" You should have applied the railing to the OUTSIDE of the grating deck to keep it all thin.......!

HOWEVER.....!!

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It does look like you have vindicated yourself-your images are very convincing! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :big_grin:

for the capping 'strip'--evergreen or styrene strip will be too fat-in any size--

Sprue... probably too un-predicatable...

I would reccomend using thin copper wire-heated over a flame - then staightened twixt pliers--it will be straight and soft.

apply with thinned white glue for grab--and the backfill top and bottom with paint to the convex profile.

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:big_grin:

I thought about putting the railing on the outside but the bottom line on the Lion Roar is too thin and wouldn't 'hide' much of the thickness of the evergreen strip I used for the framework. It sounds a bit precarious but I'll sand it down gently... the strip is only a millimetre thick so I should be able to remove quite a lot of the thickness without difficulty. I need to put in a rounded profile at the same time, will will also make it appear thinner.

None of this is fixed in place at the moment... the walkway is held on by friction for the photo's... so taking it on and off to check for appearance is easy.

Annealing some brass rod or wire for the top rail is a GREAT idea Jim... Thank you :thumbs_up_1:

Football on at the moment and it's an important day, so when that is all over I'll be back on it :thumbs_up_1:
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Super! I love it all the way!
I wonder that you put all that love to the outside of the hull at this early point. You'll certainly want put as much effort on the deck details such as the skylights. Wouldn't it be more clever to work "forms the inside to the outside"?
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