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Seeing your build makes me want to finish my Yorktown! Keep up the good work.

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I'm totally with you on using pinstriping for the waterline. With the limited amount of strectch availaible it easily wraps around even the 'curviest' hull (as in older sailing ships). The line stay nice and crisp for the life of the model ... when the hull is finished I just hit it with a cover of Dull-cote and the paint and stripe are all nicely sealed.

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Hello from Elk & Steelhead country and Cody the Incorrigible Cat

Hi Russel,

thank you for explaining about lights and so on. I will think about, but first I will mre investigate about the structure below flightdeck at my Essex and how to make these damned catwalks which are even not included in WEM Set as PE part.



True words Russel ...
also weathering can not only changed appereance of the model, it can also help to hide or improve sometimes areas which are not so good painted or built. This works at least also in matter that it changed appereance of this area. I learned this when building 20 years long tanks in 1/35 ... but works at least in result at ships too.

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Good Morning All!

Arizona – Thanks again for the kind words. If you need a little more encouragement to finish your Yorktown, check out this WIP, of Steve Larsen’s beauty:
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=32648&hilit=yorktown

If you have a WIP going, could you post the link? I would love to see it.

Cody – Me-ow! Mee-ow, mew, meow-meow, mew, MEOW! For those who don’t speak cat, I agree! Pin striping is the way to go, it’s easy and looks good.

By the way, Incorrigible Cat is kind of redundant.

After seeing how the dust so quickly covered my flight deck before I weathered it, I now keep it in the frame, with a towel covering it. My incorrigible (we call him spunky) took a stroll across the towel covered flight deck with a big smile on his face. Fortunately, no damage was done.

Christian - I’m all about hiding flaws! I certainly have my share of them, if not more.

Anyway, I pulled out all of my Figures, and looking at them with my ever increasingly critical eye, I’m not particularly thrilled with any of them. Eduard’s 3-D Carrier figures are for modern carriers and have tan pants, and even worse, all of the crews are positioned for directing planes. I could paint them as needed, but I’m not sure if the3D figures can be bent into different positions like the 2D figures can. Tom’s Wodelworks’ PE Figures all seem to be wearing bell bottoms and look kind of “squatty” to me. Maybe they will look better painted? The Tamiya 144 piece crew set has 24 figures saluting and 24 standing at ease, so 1/3rd of the figures in the set aren’t of much use to me for Benny. Still, I think I like the remaining figures better than the others. The set I probably need is Eduard’s WWII Aircraft Carrier Figures, but they are reportedly “Out of Stock”, but even they have all of the crews positioned for directing planes. The pix I’ve seen of L’Arsenal’s figures look good, but they like North Star Models new US Navy 3D Figure Set are also “Out of Stock”.

Hmmmm. What to do?

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The CV5 or CV10 Yorktown Arizona?

If CV-10, here is something to make you hungry to build your further ....

http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/5-s ... peter.html

Text is German, but photos tell all

@ Russel

good question about figures...
To be honest, I dod not make any head about in my case, because I have some of these flat ready painted Eduard fugures and I found a tipp to make them 3D (Only some white glue on the back and repainted back - ready. But I'm not usre if I take any figures.
There was another set from a company with "P" if I remember correct, but full name I must investigate first ... forgotten.

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CV-10. Good thing I can read German

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WOW! That is one beautiful build Mr. Ortinger did. Thanks for sending that link Christian! I can use it when I need to know how something is supposed to look. But, I'm not sure if it makes me hungry or seriously humbled.
That man has some serious modeling skills!

As for figures, I had previously found a good site for detailing and painting GMM Ocean Liner Figures (http://titanic-model.com/articles/paint ... igures.htm), but I haven't tried it yet. Whether you include figures or not, like lighting, depends on what you want to show. If you want to display a static model you don't need them, or want them. If you want to try to catch a snapshot of a dynamic scene on the ship, then you have to have them. I have seen great models both ways.

CHEERS!!!

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1/350 USS Missouri (BB-63) * 1/350 USS England (DE-635) * "Underway Personnel Transfer" Diorama

In Progress:
1/350 USS Bennington (CV-20)
1/144 USS Greenling (SSN-614) - ACAD/3D Printing
1/144 USS Batfish (SS-310) - ACAD/3D Printing

Cool!
Does this guy say what he suspended the planes with? Stretchedsprue perhaps?
http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/5-s ... peter.html

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1/350 USS Missouri (BB-63) * 1/350 USS England (DE-635) * "Underway Personnel Transfer" Diorama

In Progress:
1/350 USS Bennington (CV-20)
1/144 USS Greenling (SSN-614) - ACAD/3D Printing
1/144 USS Batfish (SS-310) - ACAD/3D Printing

Holy Cow Guys!

Here's something you gotta see...
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=112449&start=20

It's a 1/72 USS Enterprise RC. That's right 1/72.
Pretty COOL!

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1/350 USS Missouri (BB-63) * 1/350 USS England (DE-635) * "Underway Personnel Transfer" Diorama

In Progress:
1/350 USS Bennington (CV-20)
1/144 USS Greenling (SSN-614) - ACAD/3D Printing
1/144 USS Batfish (SS-310) - ACAD/3D Printing

I'm afraid he doesnt say.

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As Abram told, unfortunatelly he didn't tell ... I read complete article he wrote.

I guess it is streched sprue or it's a very thin fishing line which some guys used for rigging of their ships too.

Also thanks for the plans of catwalks Russ, they are very helpfull and delete the "?" about over my head.
It is really a shame that I bought the so called "complete set" from WEM for Essex, but catwalks are not included and must bei bought extra as I found out now. I think I will make my catwalks scratch from some things I have in store.

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Update 126
Thanks Abram and Christian, I was just curious how he did it because I am planning on suspending a plane just off the edge of the flight deck on my model, but that’s way down the road, so I have plenty of time to think about that.

And Christian, you are more than welcome. I’m glad I could help. It helps repay, in a small part, for all of the help I have received on this Forum.

So, I decided that I am probably going to use the figures from Tom’s Modelworks at places in and around the hangar deck openings, and on the bow and stern. In any case, they had to be painted. I used enamel paints including Model Masters’ Ensign Blue for the pants and hats, Model Masters’ Intermediate Blue for half of the shirts, Testor’s White for the other half of the shirts, Testor’s Light Tan for the skin and Model Masters’ Flat Black for the shoes. The advantage to painting your own figures is that you can paint a front and a back. On the front I painted a “face” and on the back I painted “hair” using a brown mixed with the black and light tan. This is not a diverse crew. It’s a simple one. I even opted for just whites and light blue tops thinking if I needed to change one or two, I could do it on the fly.


I think they came out OK and so I think I am going to be having some big time fun in the next few sessions.

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Completed:
1/350 USS Missouri (BB-63) * 1/350 USS England (DE-635) * "Underway Personnel Transfer" Diorama

In Progress:
1/350 USS Bennington (CV-20)
1/144 USS Greenling (SSN-614) - ACAD/3D Printing
1/144 USS Batfish (SS-310) - ACAD/3D Printing

So how "tall" are these guys? Dusted off my slide rule, put on the reading glasses, and figured they are about 13/64 of an inch. Am I close?

(... IF they are tall sailors!)

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Hello from Elk & Steelhead country and Cody the Incorrigible Cat

Wow Cody! A slide rule? I learned to use one way back when. We've been looking for dad's and the only one we have been able to find is a circular one, which is cool, but I want the real McCoy too. I wonder how many of today's engineering students would even know what it is?

13/64" = 0.203" is real close. Using an Engineer's scale, I measured them at between 10 and 11 on the 50 scale, so they are between 0.2" and 0.22". This would put them between 5'9" and 6'5" tall, which is what they should be. I still think they look kind of squatty. I guess they are just big boned.

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Completed:
1/350 USS Missouri (BB-63) * 1/350 USS England (DE-635) * "Underway Personnel Transfer" Diorama

In Progress:
1/350 USS Bennington (CV-20)
1/144 USS Greenling (SSN-614) - ACAD/3D Printing
1/144 USS Batfish (SS-310) - ACAD/3D Printing

More to the point, do they know how it works?

Oh heck no!

I don't think most of the professors do. I got into a debate/argument with one because I used significant digits for an interim calculation on one of his tests a few years back and he had not, so he took a couple of points off because we had different answers (even though we had the same final answer). He was younger than I am, had never used a slide rule, and therefore truly didn't understand the significance of significant digits.

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1/350 USS Missouri (BB-63) * 1/350 USS England (DE-635) * "Underway Personnel Transfer" Diorama

In Progress:
1/350 USS Bennington (CV-20)
1/144 USS Greenling (SSN-614) - ACAD/3D Printing
1/144 USS Batfish (SS-310) - ACAD/3D Printing

Significant digits are taught in high school... do not use more than your input data. And, when you use a slide rule, more that you can slide (figures, but I never used one) but I know how to turn multiplication into addition. I hope he gave you the full score after hearing your argument!

There are many more nice mechanical computers. A planimeter gives you the surface of a closed curve and with the right mathematical derivation you can only conclude it's a brilliant device. I tried to emulate it when calculating the curvature of an arbitrary closed curve (found something more easy and quicker to use later). Lots of these are in the science museums and most people just walk past them...

He did not. Even worse, when I said that the points didn't matter, that I just wanted to know if significant digits mattered, 2 other students came in and he blew me off. He never did admit it and I lost a lot of respect for him that day.

I used to use a planimeter a lot as a surveyor/draftsman/engineering technician before and part of the time I was going to college. They are really cool devices and you are right they are brilliant and simple. They have two sets of rollers with counters that measure distances (+ and -) in the "x-direction" and "y-direction" and multiply them together. You gotta love the ingenuity of the old school engineers.

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Completed:
1/350 USS Missouri (BB-63) * 1/350 USS England (DE-635) * "Underway Personnel Transfer" Diorama

In Progress:
1/350 USS Bennington (CV-20)
1/144 USS Greenling (SSN-614) - ACAD/3D Printing
1/144 USS Batfish (SS-310) - ACAD/3D Printing

Russel,

at such Professors you must know that they have a small law:

§1 - I'm right
§2 - I'm always right
§3 - If not, see §1 and §2!

That's the whole story about some Professors! When I wrote my master work for master degree of history I came in dispute with my about theme what was turning point in American War of Independence. I wrote in conclusion a) enter of France into war, b) sending troops to help Washington and c) battle of Cowpens and Guilford House ... my Professore denied this and told Yorktown was with French financial help ans supplies only. I replied that Yorktown was result of Cowpens and Guilford Coruthouse and without French land and sea forces, there had no battle of Yorktown happened. But you know, I got minus point for my conclusion, because small professor law as named above.
But this is 18 years ago, so hell on it!

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Something I heard long ago in reference to a Mechanical Engineering professor:

Those who can, Do
Those who can't, Teach