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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:28 am 
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And, Trumpeter appears to have them correct. :thumbs_up_1:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/technicall ... g/ghg.html


What makes you thinking this? Only because it appears on some more-hype-than-substance website?

The configuration was not symetrical and differed even to Tirpitz. According to one fellow modeller who dug a bit deeper, the layout was (close to) the following:

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It could be that you need to be a registered member to see the self-drawn image. If so, I can ask for permission to post it here or send it to you via PM. The one who drew it copied the configuration from the shell expansion plan (I hope this is the proper plan expressed in English).

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:58 am 
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Before I start a major project like this one I usually take plenty of time to ponder the kit before I start doing anything. I carefully look at every sprue tree and pour over the instruction booklet to familiarize myself with where everything is. I also try to figure out what should be added and when in the process... you know, general planning stuff.

I'm now starting to become a bit torn over planking the deck; a planked maindeck will be easy enough to integrate into the kit but the superstructure decking would be something else altogether. It looks like I would have to cut the molded deck out and replace it with (lower) sheet stock+ planking to keep it level with the metal decked sections. The right sized wooden planks would cost an arm and a leg to cover such a huge deck and if I just butted them up to each other they would essentially disappear after sanding unless I put something between them. We're talking .030 X.020 pieces of wood so it would not be particularly easy on my sanity... especially so after just coming off the 1/72 Gato deck.

But the kit deck is completely inadequate for me. The drain channels on the edges of the main deck should be visible at this scale but is entirely absent from the kit, the planking pattern is wrong and none of the deck equipment/superstructure bases are boxed out in the planking, giving that dreaded "cheap toy" effect that I can't stand! Plus the forward deck chain plates should be wood but are just plain plastic.

I also don't want to do a "stick-on" deck; while they look good at a distance, the effect inevitably breaks down when looking closely and they usually took too rough and grainy looking to my eyes.

A new solution I am thinking about is to carve out the drain channels along the edges of the deck, cut the edges out of the planking along it and replace it with .010 styrene strips to simulate the edge pieces. I could also plank the chain plates with styrene strips.

Then I could paint a simulated wood deck by masking off random planks and spraying them several different shades of tan + several oil paint washes. The plank pattern would still be wrong but I think it would still result in a very fine deck.

I'm still thinking about it anyway, if anyone has any ideas I'm all ears.

A final word on swastikas... it might seem strange to us here in America but I guess most of Europe has a problem with the symbol of the tyrannical and utterly evil loonies who conquered and looted their lands and killed millions of their citizens only 70 years ago... much less the German people themselves who saw their country literally burned to the ground. Go figure...

I was born WAY after the fact in the late 70's but WW2 touched my family too; my grandma was just a kid but was living in rural Denmark when the Nazis invaded, my grandpa was an airplane mechanic in WW2 who is responsible for painting dozens of naked ladies on American bombers :big_grin: , and my great grandfather designed airplane engines for Pratt and Whitney during the war.

Our family did our part to make sure I could grow up in a world where I could build models of Nazi superweapons covered with swastikas and still publicly shout a big F%*! Hitler!!!!! and I am honestly thankful for that. I am gonna aim to show history as it was here but in no way do I support or believe in Nazi ideology.

I am glad they are gone, and I am glad the Bismarck is on the bottom of the Atlantic. I am sorry so many died to make it so.

Trumpeter's feelings on the subject are more ambiguous:

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But if you're not gonna stick with historical facts on your Bismarck, might I suggest a better solution :heh: :

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:17 pm 
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A rather extreme idea for the deck could be to use a wooden one, trimmed round the edge to expose the plastic giving the effect of the drains and hide some of the grain by tinting individual planks as per painting a plastic deck.
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One thing I've found on my hull was that if you look down the length of the hull, in certain lighting, it had LOTS of low spots running up and down the hull usually coinciding with an internal rib, The worst one being right at the bow. They may be a little hard to see now but they will show up in painting. Took a ton of sanding to get them out.

Another thing that I plan to do on mine that you may want to do on yours is scribing in lines for the bow and stern. They'd undoubtedly be visible in this scale.
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Boba, mine have them too. The whole hull needs a serious sanding job.

I intend to add the lines too, though I was considering doing very slight raised lines with putty and masking tape. I also need to fix some of the misshapen portholes and was even thinking about doing rivets with dry transfers, doing new porthole "eyebrows" and adding wire steps on the stern. Trumpeter left A LOT of detail off the hull.

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A final word on swastikas... it might seem strange to us here in America but I guess most of Europe has a problem with the symbol of the tyrannical and utterly evil loonies who conquered and looted their lands and killed millions of their citizens only 70 years ago... much less the German people themselves who saw their country literally burned to the ground. Go figure...

I was born WAY after the fact in the late 70's but WW2 touched my family too; my grandma was just a kid but was living in rural Denmark when the Nazis invaded, my grandpa was an airplane mechanic in WW2 who is responsible for painting dozens of naked ladies on American bombers , and my great grandfather designed airplane engines for Pratt and Whitney during the war.

Our family did our part to make sure I could grow up in a world where I could build models of Nazi superweapons covered with swastikas and still publicly shout a big F%*! Hitler!!!!! and I am honestly thankful for that. I am gonna aim to show history as it was here but in no way do I support or believe in Nazi ideology.

I am glad they are gone, and I am glad the Bismarck is on the bottom of the Atlantic. I am sorry so many died to make it so.

This is something that I have never really understood either. My grandfather fought in Burma and spent the best part of three years in a Japanese POW camp but I don't have a problem with seeing the flag of the rising sun or the "meatball" on Japanese aircraft. These were as much a symbol of oppression and fear as the Swastika was.

That mother looks huge anyways. Wouldn't mind it myself but space would be even more of a problem than the price to me I'm afraid.

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Quick update:

I cut some holes below the waterline where they were molded into the hull.


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Got another one to add to the list of wrongs.

I gotta take another look at some wreck footage first to be 110% sure, but it really looks like Trumpeter messed up the position and look of the Stem anchor cluse in addition to the port and starbord ones. On the decking section, it needs to be elongated forward, and the hole in the Hull needs to be filled in and a new one placed above it.
Boy all these fix's are starting to irritate the hell outa me... :mad_1:

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Yup! Way out of position.
Here's a couple of nice vids of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxQYzr9dpq8&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUAViFeTsok&feature=plcp

Filling in that hole's and blending it in gunna be a pain.


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Can you post a few close up pictures of the bow?? It would be helpful for me to decide if I'm going to buy this kit. I'll be watching your build with great interest.


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BobaFettSlave_1 wrote:
Got another one to add to the list of wrongs.

I gotta take another look at some wreck footage first to be 110% sure, but it really looks like Trumpeter messed up the position and look of the Stem anchor cluses in addition to the port and starbord ones. On the decking section, it needs to be elongated forward, and the hole in the Hull needs to be filled in and a new one placed above it.
Boy all these fix's are starting to irritate the hell outa me... :mad_1:

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Yup! Way out of position.
Here's a couple of nice vids of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxQYzr9dpq8&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUAViFeTsok&feature=plcp

Filling in that hole's and blending it in gunna be a pain.


The hole for the center anchor on the bow looks too low as well.

This project IS getting bigger and bigger all the time... this thing feels a lot like a scaled up 1/350 kit. Detail-up people rejoice! :eyes_spinning:

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Can you post a few close up pictures of the bow?? It would be helpful for me to decide if I'm going to buy this kit. I'll be watching your build with great interest.


Sure, here's some more pics. I'm in the middle of sanding the hull so pardon the mess.

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And the stern, if anyone is curious:

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Thank you! This will help a lot. Even with some of the flaws you've pointed out it sure looks like an impressive kit.


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Olaf Held wrote:
boomstick68 wrote:
And, Trumpeter appears to have them correct. :thumbs_up_1:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/technicall ... g/ghg.html


What makes you thinking this? Only because it appears on some more-hype-than-substance website?

The configuration was not symetrical and differed even to Tirpitz. According to one fellow modeller who dug a bit deeper, the layout was (close to) the following:

Click me

It could be that you need to be a registered member to see the self-drawn image. If so, I can ask for permission to post it here or send it to you via PM. The one who drew it copied the configuration from the shell expansion plan (I hope this is the proper plan expressed in English).

Happy modelling ~ Olaf!

Thank you Olaf. I'm pretty gullible when comes to ship research. I'm glad you're checking our work so we can produce a Bismarck as accurate as possible. For me though, I will change the really obvious inaccuracies but I won't go all out. That said, the GHG are close enough for me to keep as is. :thumbs_up_1:

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:39 pm 
Artwox have a Bismarck detail set out and White Ensign Models are planning one.


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Artwox have a Bismarck detail set out and White Ensign Models are planning one.

I'm going slow because I want to see what White Ensign is gonna put out for this monster before I get in too deep (Psst WEM, do new PE porthole "eyebrows"... I have to sand them off to fix the wonky portholes on the hull and I'm not looking forward to making new ones out of scratch :thumbs_up_1: ). I ordered the Trumpeter detail set for the metal barrels too... still waiting for it to arrive.

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I am still watching this with interest. The crazy 'accuracy' threshold a lot of folk are insisting on in various parts of this forum is a little beyond my calling/capabilty/interest. ( I keep expecting somebody to start counting rivets on the hull ... ) But, I still think this would be an excellent build for even the intermediate builder who is willing to do a few mods here and there! :thumbs_up_1: ( I love large scale ..)

I think that once the dust settles, one can have a bench mark for a good accurate build which could be really fun! :smallsmile:

PS: one doesn't need a PE set for a model of this scale ... raid the drawer in the shop and get a little glue and gray dust on your fingers dudes (and dudettes)! :heh:

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Good luck Channell for the new "little"project :smallsmile: apparently ,with their mistakes on their models , Trumpy have decided to make go crazy ,the model makers of the world :smallsmile:
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Good luck Channell for the new "little"project :smallsmile: apparently ,with their mistakes on their models , Trumpy have decided to make go crazy ,the model makers of the world :smallsmile:
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Yea, but that's what makes it fun. :big_grin:

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LE BOSCO wrote:
Good luck Channell for the new "little"project :smallsmile: apparently ,with their mistakes on their models , Trumpy have decided to make go crazy ,the model makers of the world :smallsmile:
Cheers
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Yea, but that's what makes it fun. :big_grin:


Yep!!apparently, we are all more or less masochist :big_grin: one pays for have wrong :whistle:
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I am still watching this with interest. The crazy 'accuracy' threshold a lot of folk are insisting on in various parts of this forum is a little beyond my calling/capabilty/interest. ( I keep expecting somebody to start counting rivets on the hull ... ) But, I still think this would be an excellent build for even the intermediate builder who is willing to do a few mods here and there! :thumbs_up_1: ( I love large scale ..)

I think that once the dust settles, one can have a bench mark for a good accurate build which could be really fun! :smallsmile:

PS: one doesn't need a PE set for a model of this scale ... raid the drawer in the shop and get a little glue and gray dust on your fingers dudes (and dudettes)! :heh:


Blasphemy! Heresy!

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Honestly, this kit would make an excellent display piece out of the box and it already comes with a fair amount of PE...

BUT... where is the challenge (i.e, fun) in that? :cool_1:

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