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It is my research but I come to think that the barrels were red on early 21st May 1941.

Bye!

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Well, I would like to know what makes you thinking this. Why should they have switched that colour TWICE? Can you please PM me?

Are you saying early in the morning of 21st May 1941 and not before and after?

Happy painting ~ Olaf!

Edit: I saw that discussion at Graue-Flotte, ... eeh ... hmmm ... I understand the thing about panchromatic and orthochromatic film, but I think this drives you down the wrong path. There was just ONE colour ordered for the time the ships were under friendly air cover. And there is only ONE colour they used to overpaint it while in Norway and upon leaving the air cover.

Hi,

in the Grimstadfjord the photographer used an orthochromatic sensitized film material. This material is sensitive to UV, blue and green light, less sensitive to yellow and orange and non-sensitive to red light. This red blindness resultus in a transformation of the original red into black or dark grey in the b/w photograph. This type of material was common in the 1920s to 1940s. This type of film could be developed and exposed to red light conditions - I guess you saw a red light photo chamber in a movie or so.

Also, Norway was "red sea area", baltic sea "yellow sea area". Red turret tops were applied as long as the ships were in the red sea area and within the range of German a/c. In the fjord markings were covered.

During the 1930s panchromtic sensitzied film became available which was sensitive to UV, blue, green, yellow and red. Colors were transformed into grey values more or less according their relative brightness in reality: dark colors as dark greys, light colors as light greys etc.

Bye,

Bernd.

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Hi all, very impressive build 109. Just starting the trumpeter 1/200 kit, have very little knowledge of ship history but in doing the research for the kit (it's only my second boat build ever) haven't seen anything showing red turret tops. Was it on all 4 of the main turrets ?

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neil

Hi Neil,

have fun with your Bismarck! Please post your build in the forum.

I think it was on all 4 main battery turret roofs, not on the secondary turrets, however.
Other people may differ from my opinion.

Bye!

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Hi, Bernd!

In my book (Bunkard Baron von Mullenheim-Rechberg BATTLESHIP BISMARCK--Russian edition - ISBN 5-699-15457-4)

is a picture like this:



The picture is commented by the autor ( It is my translation) : " The dark color of barrels is a minium lead (red lead). The barrels were painted by red lead immediatelly after lots of salvos- when the normal grey paint is "fire-damaged". The circles around the barrels -are cable holders for a coil, which is located on barrel's tip ..... (and so on....)"


Bye!
Anatoly

I know that phenomenon ...

Bye!

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I'm sorry, but you can't tell from the pictures what type of film they have used. It should be the other way round. If you clearly know the type of film, then you can try to find out the colours. In addition, you need to know what colours were available, or should I say allowed according to the paint regulation.

Red around Norway was true for another operation. For Rheinübung it was clearly yellow, as stated by an official document (which made its way round the internet some time ago). The dark grey you see at Grimstadt is indeed dark grey. It replaced the yellow which is *visible* during the stay at Gotenhafen.

The aerial view you named *Hamburg?* ~ Believe me, since years I've been pondering about the different *colours* in that photo. I have a theory, but I don't have proof so I keep my lips sealed.

Anyway, if you have a colour photo of Bismarck showing the red, then I owe you an apology (in return for showing me that photo ... ).

@ Anatoly ~ Too bad, my 1980 edition of the Baron book doesn't contain this photo plus the caption. I don't know what to say regarding the latter, but all I've heard is that the black appearance of the barrels plus the light coloured (metal?) rings had something to do with the shooting trials (AVKS-Schießen) in the Baltic. It is the first time I heard something about red lead used on barrels and I don't see a benefit here. Well, I'm no expert by any means, but could it be that there went something wrong during the translation from German to Russian to English?

Happy guessing ~ Olaf!

Hi , Olaf!

My opinion is : painting with red lead is the TEMPORARY ANTICORROSION covering - and nothing more. Then the barrels should be painted grey, of course.

About the translation: it is my book:


Bye!
Anatoly

Hi Anatoly ~ Thanks for the photo, this as well isn't in my early edition of the book...

Happy reading ~ Olaf!

Hi,

I finally started to build the active sonar in the stem of my Bismarck. I first made a jig to guide the file at an 22.5° angle and parallel to the waterlines.

Bye,

Bernd.

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Two segments have been filed into the stem ...

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The jig is a very good idea .Have to remember that one .

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Hi,

yes, it´s a handy jig. Use metal or hard wood for a long lasting jig if neccessary ... Bye!

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Hi,

filed all facettes into the stem and applied a coat of primer to check the basic geometry.

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Bernd,

What is this active sonar all about?

I notice you have many grilles and vents in your hull below the Boot topping. Where did you gt the reference material from for this? I would like to add this detail to my Bismarck.

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Regards

Nigel

Thanks for your kind comment

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Hi Bernd fantastic piece very well executed.
the infos you show here about Bismarck amazing me

Hi 109,

Your effort worths to be admired both for attention to detail and the succesful execution as well. I understand that you have naval architecture knowledge therefore i would appreciate your assistance. I have borrowed a picture of your hull showing the hard-chined transition from dock-keels to the hull contour. The area is pointed yellow in the picture below. Could you please advise whether there are specific drawings showing this detail? Why should be a chined area and not a smooth faired one? I have only a half lines plan of Tirpitz from the book no. 18 of AJ Press together with the stuctural sections in AOTS book but they are not enough to clarify this detail.I do not have a longitudinal bhd plan or a bottom view which should be of help. Could you suggest where I could find the appropriate plan? I am about to start the 1/350 Revell Bismarck and the dock keels presented as doubler plate strips on a smooth bottom of the vessel, so I would like to correct it.

thanking you in advance and keep up the good work

Christos

Some more work on the sonar ...

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