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I remember reading in the public consultations that came with Canada's 2016 Defence Policy Review that many respondents saw Australia as the ideal model to emulate to resolve our own procurement issues.

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Future Frigates selection set for faster course
The Australian
12:00AM March 3, 2017

Brendan Nicholson
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The process of selecting the design for the Royal Australian Navy’s nine new Future Frigates will be accelerated by the federal government to save time and to ensure construction of the warships can begin in 2020.

Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne told The Australian the number of competing combat systems being considered for the frigates had been reduced to the two which were considered to be the most suitable.

That would streamline the process of selecting the best vessels, Mr Pyne said. “We won’t be wasting time assessing things we will never use.” That would give the contenders more time to focus on other aspects of their bids.

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BAE Systems Australia chief hopeful Australia will opt for Type 26 Frigate
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Glynn Phillips said the signing of the UK Type 26 Frigate contract should provide the Australian government with confidence in the company’s bid.

As quoted in Defence Connect, he said:

“This news is very exciting for Australia as it’s a turning point for the Type 26 Global Combat Ship program. With construction starting in the coming weeks, the most modern, most capable, most future-proof anti-submarine warfare platform in the world will soon become a reality. This milestone means the Royal Australian Navy should have full confidence that our offer for SEA 5000 – the Global Combat Ship-Australia – will have the largest growth margins of any ASW frigate in the world and will remain at the leading edge of naval technology throughout its service life.

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BAE Systems submits bid for Australian frigate build

Shipbuilder and defense contractor BAE Systems on Thursday announced it has officially submitted its bid for the construction of Australia’s nine SEA 5000 Future Frigates.

The company, however, did not reveal the cost of designing and building the frigates in Australia.

What is known is that the frigate design will be based on the Type 26 global combat ship which already started construction in the UK.

The UK defense ministry expects to build its eight Type 26 ship for around £12b (approx. $15.6b).

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More to support the argument to buy foreign/"off-the-shelf", since there's always politics involved with a local build.

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Aussie Warship Project to be Delayed for Two Years by Local Companies: Minister
(Source: Xinhuanet; issued Sept 08, 2017)
CANBERRA --- A 28-billion-U.S.-dollar Australian warship project could be delayed for two years if local companies are handed the contract, a government minister has warned.

The Future Frigates project will see nine new anti-submarine warfare frigates designed and built to replace Australia's existing Anzac frigate fleet.

The Australian bid to build the ships is being led by South Australia's ASC and Western Australia's Austal, but Spain's Navantia, Britain's BAE Systems and Italy's Fincantieri have also been shortlisted for the project.

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Australia will equip its Future Frigates with Aegis combat systems


The Australian Navy’s fleet of Future Frigates are to be equipped with the Aegis combat systems, the Australian government announced on October 3.

The Aegis will be coupled with a tactical interface developed by SAAB Australia.

The government said this decision is aimed at maximizing the frigate’s air warfare capabilities.

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Presumably they will have Ram or Sea Sparrow.

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The current competitors are F-100, Type 26, and FREMM.

It is known why no MEKO design was considered? How does the Australian navy think about their MEKO 200 frigates?

It is interesting that the MEKO frigates were very successful in the 1980s and 1990s (25 ships built of the MEKO 200 design alone, plus 15 of other variants), but the new designs (e.g. A-200) are not that successful (only 6 A-200 plus 10 A-100 and 10 K-130 corvettes).

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L3 and BAE Systems team up on the Type 26 Frigate for the Australian SEA5000 bid
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February 7, 2018

L3 Technologies announced this week that it will support the BAE Systems Power and Propulsion Team by providing the Integrated Platform Management System for the Royal Australian Navy SEA5000 bid.

L3 was selected to provide the IPMS, as well as Controls and Instrumentation, for the nine Type 26 Global Combat Ships proposed for the SEA5000 program. If BAE is successful, the total value of this contract, which is expected to be awarded by the federal government in April or May, is $27.4 billion.

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The Australian Frigate Competition: Getting the right ship for the right deal
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By mid-year the Australian government is expected to have picked a derivative of BAE’s Type 26 (designated GCS-A), Navantia’s F100 (F5000) or Fincantieri’s FREMM to be the Royal Australian Navy’s future frigate under project SEA5000.

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A belated post from last February:

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Special Report: Sea 5000 and ASW capability – making sense of a complex picture
By Katherine Ziesing | Canberra | 22 February 2018

Industry conversations about Sea 5000 are at fever pitch, with a down-selection imminent. However, the majority of dialogue seems to be centred on Australian Industry Capability (AIC) and the program’s role in the National Shipbuilding Strategy. Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) capability, which is the primary strategic purpose for the Future Frigate acquisition, has received far less attention.

With this in mind, this article seeks to provide a comparison of the reference ASW configurations and viable upgrades for the three competing vessels, based on publically available information. To recap, the contenders include the F-5000 from Navantia (referenced from the Hobart Class DDG), the Global Combat Ship Australia from BAE Systems (referenced from the Royal Navy’s Type 26) and the FREMM-A from Fincantieri (referenced from the Italian Bergamini Class FREMM).

The systems performance and operational effectiveness of the Future Frigate will inevitably be compared to the RAN’s lived experience with the DDG’s capability

Importantly, when the Future Frigates enter service, from around 2030, the Hobart-Class DDG – which currently has the Navy’s most advanced ASW capability – will have been in service for over a decade and be well down its own upgrade path. The systems performance and operational effectiveness of the Future Frigate will inevitably be compared to the RAN’s lived experience with the DDG’s capability, especially as the ships will share the same highly trained Navy personnel. For this reason, this article baselines the Sea 5000 contenders’ ASW configurations against the DDG’s known system attributes.

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An update on Australia's future frigate program:

Sydney Morning Herald

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Three ships but only two options
By Nicholas Stuart
15 May 2018 — 4:50pm

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Look at the three contenders.

Navantia’s offering is the obvious choice. This company’s the incumbent, building both our Air Warfare
Destroyers (AWD’s) and Landing Helicopter Docks (LHD’s). Its got a workforce in place
; a design team ready to go; and it’s actively attempting to develop the export industry Christopher Pyne’s been so busy boosting (the company’s just opened a shopfront to sell ships to Singapore). The workforce – so vital for Adelaide – would walk off the AWD program on Friday and return to manufacture the frigates on the Monday. The design incorporates both the most modern systems available (because it's a brand new blueprint) and minimises risk (because it’s based on the ships we’re operating today).

Fincantieri represents the exciting newcomer. It holds out the possibility of developing a viable civilian shipbuilding industry while also providing us with a frigate operating effectively with the Italian and French. I’ve been aboard a frigate in the Mediterranean: it demonstrated a capacity to both rescue asylum seekers (crossing from Africa) and stealthily shadow foreign (Chinese) units in the Arabian Gulf. The Italians are pushing hard. They want to make sure our government realises Fincantieri’s serious about establishing a shipbuilding industry here, something sure to appeal to the politicians who’ll make the decision.

Which leaves the third tenderer, BAE.

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Australia tipped to buy British naval frigates in $35 billion deal with old partner
By David Wroe
19 June 2018 — 6:17pm

Britain is strongly tipped to win the hard-fought contest to design and build Australia’s new $35 billion fleet of naval frigates in a move that would firm up the partnership with a key ally at a time of international political uncertainty.

Sources in Canberra and defence industry circles said it was all but certain that Britain’s BAE Systems would be chosen as the international partner to design and help build what will form the backbone of the Royal Australian Navy’s surface fleet for the coming decades.

The national security committee of cabinet is expected to discuss the decision soon, with an announcement possible by the end of next week.

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Surprising if true. If the base ship is the Type 26 then I bet Australia will not be spending £1 Billion for each frigate. That might cause some friction in the UK.

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It will be interesting to see a Type 26 Australian Mod.

Australia Picks BAE Systems Design for $26B Warship Deal
https://news.usni.org/2018/06/28/34715

Aegis Weapon System Sales To Spanish, Australian Navies Approved By U.S. State Department
https://news.usni.org/2018/06/27/aegis- ... department

Note the Australian Aegis installation on the new frigates is intended to use CEAFAR 2 instead of SPY-1


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From the ship modeller's point of view there will be now at least two very differently looking variants of Type 26 - because of the different radars, the foremast will likely have a very different shape.

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The Anzac class got an additional modernisation: apparently the same radars as the Hunter class will get:

http://www.australiandefence.com.au/news/hmas-arunta-undocks-after-mast-upgrade
https://navaltoday.com/2018/11/09/amcap-upgrade-hmas-arunta-gets-new-mast/
https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.blogspot.com/2018/11/australian-navys-anzac-frigate-hmas.html

That is interesting. The Anzac class will only serve another decade and then will be replaced. Can these radars be recycled for the new frigates?

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More RAN naval updates:


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The hangars on the Hunter class frigates are inadequate
By DJAC | Online | 4 July 2019
The RAN may be going forward with UAVs, but the hangar facilities on its new destroyers and pending frigates are going backward from those of the obsolescing Adelaide class. The design for the nine Hunter-class ASW frigates should be modified with the planned main and smaller UAV doorways on the stern end of the hangar replaced by two wide side-by-side doorways.
Press images suggest that the Hunter-class, which is derived from the British Type 26, has hangar arrangements tailored to satisfy the Royal Navy (RN), which routinely operates with one ASW helicopter per escort. Those arrangements are fundamentally inadequate for sub hunting and the wide area needs of the RAN where two ASW helicopters are more than twice as useful as one. The proposed hangar arrangements would similarly limit the manner in which a manned ASW helicopter could be operated in conjunction with a UAV large enough to be equipped with ASW sensors and weaponry.
The problem with the Type 26 design
The rear superstructure of the RN's Type 26 frigate includes separate hangar doorways for ASW helicopters and UAVs. One helicopter is stowed and maintained in a hangar on the centreline of the hull and is moved onto the flight deck via a doorway closed by a roll-up shutter. A smaller shuttered doorway to starboard, and possibly another small portside doorway, are provided for UAVs. Both shoulders of the whole beam superstructure are cut away to provide a short deck and a lightweight 30mm DP gun to port and starboard.
At the forward end of the main hangar, a centreline doorway is provided so that a second helicopter can be moved into a mid-ship mission bay. That bay is also intended for stowing up to four side-loaded rigid hull inflatable boats and other cargo. Storing a second helicopter in that bay would pre-empt much of its space, and moving the second helicopter - or a large UAV - back out for use could necessitate an awkward shuffling of both onto the flight deck and then transposing the stern-most back into the hangar.
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Video, which should demonstrate how the Hunter class will be built:

"This animated fly-through of the Osborne South Development Project illustrates the construction of the infrastructure that will enable the end to end construction of the Hunter class Frigates as part of the Government of Australia's Naval Shipbuilding Enterprise initiative."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obZ6hTMnHlE

But it shows Iver Huitfeldt class frigates being built there! :lol_pound:

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Video, which should demonstrate how the Hunter class will be built:

"This animated fly-through of the Osborne South Development Project illustrates the construction of the infrastructure that will enable the end to end construction of the Hunter class Frigates as part of the Government of Australia's Naval Shipbuilding Enterprise initiative."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obZ6hTMnHlE

But it shows Iver Huitfeldt class frigates being built there! :lol_pound:


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BAE Systems to start production of Hunter-class frigate for Australian Navy in 2020
August 2019 News Navy Naval Maritime Defense Industry Posted On Saturday, 10 August 2019 14:40
BAE Systems plans to start the production of the Hunter-class frigate for Australian Navy in 2020. On 29 June 2018, BAE Systems Australia has been awarded a contract by the Australian Government that provides the framework for the design and build of nine Hunter Class frigates.
Drawing of the future Hunter-class frigate (Picture source BAE Systems)
BAE Systems Australia has confirmed a potential move to position the company's Hunter-class frigate design for the Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN).
The Hunter Class frigate incorporates years of investment in digital design techniques and builds on the UK Royal Navy’s formidable pedigree in anti-submarine warfare and extensive operational experience.It will be constructed on a specifically developed acoustically quiet hull and features unique sonar capabilities, modular digital design and open systems architecture to facilitate through-life support and upgrades as new technology develops.
The Hunter Class frigate has been designed for maximum versatility and flexibility in operational roles, from humanitarian and disaster relief operations to high-intensity warfare. The first three ships of the Hunter class will proudly carry the names of three major Australian regions, all with strong historical maritime and naval ties. HMA Ships Flinders (II) (SA region named for explorer Captain Matthew Flinders - first circumnavigation of Australia and identified it as a continent); Hunter (NSW region named for Vice-Admiral John Hunter – first fleet Captain and 2nd Governor of NSW); and Tasman (state and sea named for explorer Abel Tasman – first known European explorer to reach Tasmania, New Zealand and Fiji).
The integrated Mission Bay and Hangar is capable of supporting multiple helicopters, unmanned vehicles, boats, mission loads and disaster relief stores. A launcher can be provided for fixed wing UAV operation and the Flight Deck is capable of landing a Chinook helicopter for transport of embarked forces.
Main armament of the Hunter-class frigate will include a 5in, 62-calibre Mk 45 Mod 4 naval gun system and a Mk 41 vertical launch system fitted on the bow section of the ship. It will feature weapon mounts to house two 30mm short-range guns and two 20mm close-in weapon systems.
The Hunter-class frigate can also be armed with MU90 torpedoes, Standard Missile 2 (SM2) and Evolved SeaSparrow Missiles (ESSM). It can also be fitted with other advanced anti-ship missiles and a Nulka decoy launch system.
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as if ASC hasn't had enough problemjs alone with the Barracuda class sub projects, now this pops up:




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Australian shipbuilder pushes back against reports of frigate design concerns
By: Nigel Pittaway   1 day ago
MELBOURNE, Australia — The builder of the Royal Australian Navy’s new Hunter-class frigates has told Defense News that the ship’s design remains “within agreed weight and space envelopes,” despite a recent report in Australian media claiming recent changes have caused concern.
ASC Shipbuilding was responding to a June 26 story in the Australian Financial Review that said growth in the ship design’s weight and length is “sparking concerns.”
But ASC Shipbuilding Managing Director Craig Lockhart said Thursday the company remained confident in its ability to meet Australia’s capability requirements and specifications.
“ASC Shipbuilding is going through the normal naval design process for the Hunter-class frigate and is working collaboratively with the [Australian Defence Department’s] Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group and the Royal Australian Navy to design a ship that meets Australia’s capability and performance requirements,” Lockhart said.
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