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I wondered about that one as well. They are not on the builders plans and I have not found pics that show where they exactly go. They do disappear once the hangars no longer carried aircraft (or about then), so perhaps exhausts or air intakes to run the aircraft's engine for testing?

Good day. I got confused in the radars for 1943. Could you tell me what was installed in the nest on the aft superstructure during the arrival of Georg in Italy.For 1942, this place is somehow empty ??? what i won't believe

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In this late war pic you'll notice the circular tub has been replaced and what appears to be a pompom director can be seen. Don't know when this changed was made, exactly (Before January 1943 at least). I'd expect two UP sights to be present as built when the UP launchers were present (whatever they look like; aerial pics always show two sights next to each other but in canvas) .

Evert-Jan Foeth Good afternoon, I’m glad to hear from you. but could you tell me when this antenna grill was installed ... in the photo from the stern you provided earlier, I don’t see it. Thank you in advance. I apologize for using your photo materials
P.S. And I don’t see this incomprehensible antenna here despite the not very good quality of the photo

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Dumas reports that the type 285 was added on the aft gunnery director during her Liverpool refit in February-July 1944 (Don't have Raven & Roberts lying around at the moment...)

Edit: Also, that Barrage director is a pompom director with a type 282 radar...[/quote] Thank you. I’m just very surprised that I can’t see her in any photo in the period 42-43
Gentlemen. Good evening. Slowly, my work on the model rested in my ignorance of nothing about boats, motor boats of the British Navy, if I could share photos of how they were installed, how they were tied ... and especially how they were painted in 1943. Thank you in advance. Regards, Ivan

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Good day all,

I've been working on this recently, and here is how I (having had some most valuable input) believe her camouflage looked in 1942.

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I previously posted this (lousy) image from a small KGV album I contracted on Ebay:



It shows a marked contrast in the forward B5 area (next to the turret) just aft of the boarding ramp. I do not have a good pic of KGV herself to compare, but I do wonder what it is and if it shows up on other images. (edit: pics in Dumas' articles from WI certainly do not show it and also suggests a darker tone on the top of the armoured belt?)

THE ROYAL NAVY DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR. © IWM (A 15424) IWM Non Commercial License

THE ROYAL NAVY DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR. © IWM (A 15425) IWM Non Commercial License

There should be counter shading below the rangefinders of the main turrets and the overhang of the splinter shielding on the boat deck, see, IWM A15424/15425 (These also shows minor outline differences with your current version.).



From the same album above, note the contrast difference on the splinter shielding of that 20mm emplacements on either side of the rear DCT. Seems a lot darker, comparable to S4 turret? These IWM pics I mentioned also shows large contrast differences between each other, so the pic I added may also be far too dark for any firm conclusions if the starboard splinter shield is indeed really that dark. Certainly does not follow from the many IWM pics from the same period (taken on deck).

edit: (picture found on the web)



Ah, S3 should be partially darker?

Good afternoon. I immediately had a question. If I am making a model in the middle of 1943 and not on the 42nd: how correct will the colors indicated earlier be: G10, B15, B30, G45 ...
also before, you indicated the lighter parts of the hull in the middle of the ship in the color 507C, which seems more correct to me regarding the photograph ... accordingly, I am not sure of my rightness and I hope for your clarification

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If countershading is to be included then there was quite a bit more under various other projections. I fancy I can see it under the lowest (signal?) of the decks high on the bridge, under the starboard forward pom pom, and under the overhang either side of the boat deck on the aft deck house. It’s a detail very hard to make out clearly in the available photos but more may have lurked elsewhere.

If the aim is to depict KGV in her 1942 disruptive scheme then care must be taken not to introduce elements from 1943 and 1944 photos. I have various photos of KGV at intervals dating from July 1942 to February 1943 showing the portside B5 hull panel under X turret and there is no dark stripe on it. Given the box-like office at the extreme aft end of the quarterdeck, EJ’s ebay photo is an April 1943 onwards photo. The strange low protective screen around the floaternets on the roof of X turret may date EJ’s e-bay photo to the period very late Nov 1943-Feb 1944 as this feature is not present in any of the photos I have of KGV May-October 1943 (or indeed earlier). (This screening re-appears intermittently in photos of KGV in the Pacific in 1945). Is it known when (Nov 1943 or Feb 1944) the aft portion of her de-gaussing cable, visible in EJ’s ebay photo, was finally internalized?

Good afternoon. Thank you for responding. But I still do not understand how correct this scheme is for the second half of the 43rd year ... if you use the colors 507A., B5, B30,, 507C. I have already started to paint the model for a month already but I can’t decide on the colors due to constant advice and changes

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Ivan, my post was a reply to Jamie and EJ Foeth. Jamie and I find the conflicting guidance/illustrations just as frustrating hence our attempt to arrive at something more accurate.

We need to get the 1942 disruptive scheme (worn from July 1942) correct first. Then we can investigate any possible subsequent changes in 1943 and 1944. For what it is worth, I currently think that the 1942 scheme and paints (507A, B5, MS4 & 507C) remained on her until April 1943. But she then went into Rosyth for a refit and then straight to the Med. The questions then are do the photos taken of her in the Med suggest that she had an advance issue of the forthcoming new G&B paints at Rosyth at that time and were changes to the design/pattern made in April 1943?

After that we need to consider whether EJ's ebay photo suggests further changes on her return to the UK in October 1943.

Hi Ivan,

Notwithstanding some (relatively minor) adjustment of the camouflage panel placement, the key thing for now is that the illustration you posted is similar to those published in Alan Raven's Warship Perspectives and Roger Chesneau's Shipcraft KGV books. The former is presented in B&W but names the paints and looks like this:



Chesneau's is presented in colour, but the paints appear misnamed. The actual drawing looks like this:


...but the paints quoted would look like this, but I believe MS2 is either a mistake or a misprint.


If you begin by comparing IWM's TR 325 it's clear that the predominant paint on the starboard side of B turret barbette, port side of B turret and the lower starboard side of the superstructure is MS4, not 507C


IWM A 12336 shows that the starboard side of the hull midships isn't lighter than the superstructure or B turret, so that's MS4 as well, not 507C as per the other published illustrations.


In general, the major error in most drawings including the one you posted is the large areas of 507C (or G45) on the hull. Those areas were MS4 in 1942 and substituted for B30 sometime after the G&B series were introduced in spring 1943. The general placement of the colours on the hulls appears reasonably common, with detail differences, to each of the sisters wearing what is broadly speaking the same design.

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Thank you very much for your support .... after your clarification, it was decided to paint according to your scheme with a color scheme of 507A..B5..MC4..507C .. it only seems to me that some correction of spots with respect to photos is required .. and there are also a few incomprehensible to me questions: 1) more accurate color for horizontal surfaces ...
2) the question about the color 507C on the port side ... 3) it is also not very clear on camouflage at the very top of the superstructure
Well, the question of the amateur ... but it seems to me that this blue color is much lighter than B5 (NarNi 33) is this a consequence of weathering - burnout of the paint ... or something else ???

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Version 1, work in progress. Minor patch movement based on IWM A12235 & A13962, a great side view from Dumas' article (source should be NMM but is not found in their online database)

IWM A12330/1 do not suggest 507C on the STB stern with 507C clearly on the port stern? I also have difficulty spotting 507C ont he STB fwd superstruture but left it as is.

STB bow patch in flux, exact pattern near S4/P4 turrets also difficult to outline, aft std bridge, top position needs more work.

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Version 1, work in progress.
I am very glad that you joined this problematic issue., I really want to see your achievements, but it is very unfortunate that the image does not open. I will be grateful for any information and help . Thank you. Sincerely, Ivan.

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(Reposted here for completeness - no need to respond)

Hi EJ. I guessed you had misunderstood me! This is the countershading under the overhang either side of the boat deck on the aft deckhouse that I was talking about:



and

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205148912

gentlemen, good evening ... Help. Maybe someone has a top view of this motor boat .. I want to see how it was arranged inside. I will also be grateful for the information on the painting of wooden boats on King George. Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Ivan

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I don't have anything on that particular boat, other than a few pics in the Allan C Green series. If you build the 42/43 version I'm not sure this one was carried, rather the more typical boats? There are a few good drawings of those.

Boats & Launches on capital ships typically did not carry over the camouflage pattern. The sailing boats would be painted in the hull colour but the motorboats and launches remained in their (often) blue/white pattern.