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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 am 
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I'm doing that on my Arizona kitbash. viewtopic.php?f=59&t=165105


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 8:03 am 
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I'm doing that on my Arizona kitbash. viewtopic.php?f=59&t=165105


I know your Zona conversion ,is nice ,but this is a different animal , I did further sanding and is getting better ,but need to be very careful.
At least I got sloped sides ,just compare with the original


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Hello Miguel,

it's nice to see your job you really got the shape of the stem! Do you have a thread in "Works in Progress"? I would like to read more about the development of your project.

I'm doing the same conversion using the same kit. As for the discussion above the foredeck was surely widened to enable the much more pronounced flare. The best drawings for Scheer are from Hans Gally, unfortately they are expensive and very cumbersome to get because he has no website you can only order on phone and he does not send the drawings outside Germany...but they are really exceellent. If you're interested in it you can check my build here:

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=167098&p=746106#p746106

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Hello Miguel,

it's nice to see your job you really got the shape of the stem! Do you have a thread in "Works in Progress"? I would like to read more about the development of your project.

I'm doing the same conversion using the same kit. As for the discussion above the foredeck was surely widened to enable the much more pronounced flare. The best drawings for Scheer are from Hans Gally, unfortately they are expensive and very cumbersome to get because he has no website you can only order on phone and he does not send the drawings outside Germany...but they are really exceellent. If you're interested in it you can check my build here:

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=167098&p=746106#p746106

Best regards, Greg


Greg ,your conversion is truly awesome :worship_1: ,mine is a much simpler one ,I will try to make the best approach to the Atlantic bow ,but certainly nothing like yours ,but thanks for sharing your build .it will be a fundamental reference on mine ,the problem I don't have a "Works in progress" of the Scheer because I have 4 ongoing projects and only WIP with the HMS Orion , the Bow problem was a step stone ,that is the reason I just worked the part,now got a better shape


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I don't know if this is helpful, but I corrected Trumpeter's Tribal class (both 1/350 and 1/700) forward sheer line and flare. The sheer line in this discussion is irrelevant, but the flare is. As I corrected the flare upwards and outwards the deck naturally widened accordingly.
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Im looking for some drawings of how the Graf Spee dummy turret looked like with those wooden barrels.

I have seen one very good upclose pic of the barrels, but not sure what shape was of the canvas that covered the half of the fwd bridge section to create the "turret" silhouette.

Does anyone have any info on this or tips?

Should it be just "canvas" over the instruments, or should I give it a distinct shape?


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do you have info regarding the sixth panzerschiff? Was it even draw by the german? (I couldn't find drawing of him on the internet).

Also what refit were historically considered for the graf spee if she returned from her trip ? (the atlantic bow? a new tower like the Scheer?)
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is it possible to do a "conception admiral scheer" from the italeri kit?
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I wonder why trumpeter didn't put the deutschland and the scheer on the market yet.


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There was never a ship built like a "conception admiral scheer" or a sixth Panzerschiff. You can do what you want.

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This might sound like a picky question, but on the Graf Spee, during combat operations in the South Atlantic, as a "Corsair", would it have any kind of flag? (I know that both the bow and stern flagpoles were stored during combat operations, no flags there of course, I mean main mast, like a "combat flag, like Germans called it, a "Reichskriegsflagge"?). Would it fly the War-flag all the time, or maybe during attacks only…
And if they did, it definitely should be smaller in size?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:24 pm 
By International Law, she would have to show her national flag just before she opens fire. Otherwise, she would be considered to be a pirate ship.


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Very interesting conversion,now went full Hog and need to fix many things ( Armor belt and shipwindows)
Anyway looking good

This was before
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this is now


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So I am building a Graf Spee. The Heller version with a detail kit.

Anyway I am completely befuddled with the single mount 150mm guns. In the kit, and others I have seen, the back of the turret is open. Looking at reference photos I have seen some that appear to be a solid back and other photos with an obvious door or hatch.

Does anyone know the history of these guns. Am I seeing the variations because of various refits

On a minor note, I have also seen white cylinders that look like tall LP gas cylinders you use on the grill. The ones I am talking about a stored on the lower aft deck near the overhang created by the upper aft deck. What sort of gas would have been stored

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-ar ... -spee.html


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My memory, (slightly befuddled from time to time these days), says these mounts had a canvas or other fabric covering that enclosed the rear of the 15.0cm single mounts.. That's why some models of DKM ships with these 15cm guns are shown with a solid aft end. I like them open but if you have them rotated to see the rear, I highly recommend adding details.

I did not check my files to confirm my statement yet but when I do I will also look for photos of the Gun mount interior.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2020 7:48 pm 
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take a look at this link.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_59-55_skc28.php


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Nino wrote:
My memory, (slightly befuddled from time to time these days), says these mounts had a canvas or other fabric covering that enclosed the rear of the 15.0cm single mounts.


There are two excellent pictures of what Nino describes on page 92 in "Pocket Battleships of the Deutschland Class" by Koop & Schmolke, if you have it.

If you don't have that book, I can try and scan them later and post them if you want.

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This view clearly shows metal doors with a curved top. They are wide open and dogged:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _Arado.jpg

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Came by this lovely colour photo on Twitter and thought it'd be a nice confirmation for anyone wanting to do the 1938 Neutrality markings: red towards the gun-end of the turret.


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This view clearly shows metal doors with a curved top. They are wide open and dogged:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _Arado.jpg

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Yeah that was the photo that really put me to wondering. I picked up

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08874 ... UTF8&psc=1

And that is the only clear photo of the back of the guns in the book :(


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You know, I would not be at all surprised if the sets of guns facing aft when at rest are equipped with the metal doors, while the ones facing forward would have the canvas: it'd be a decent way to balance weight with the primary need for protection from water and spray coming from the front of the ship.

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