The Ship Model Forum

His anger has been resolved, he can now ascend that ladder like a greased monkey!



Thanks Pete, idea delivered, see below.

Here is the 'free' etch from which the detail will be taken -



I measured the gap between the top stay and the top of the funnel, reducing this by 1mm to take account of the lip on the cowl moulding, this was then cut from the sheet -



resulting in this -



Even though the second funnel and consequently the etch surround, is smaller, the internal measurement of the larger funnel is even less so once cut to width, the length must be adjusted. First I used the bending tool to approximate the shape -



and after careful fitting in place, I started to remove the end material -



small piece at a time until the length was perfect, resorting to a sanding stick to remove the very last few thou.

I dry fitted this in place as you can see -





I'm quite happy with that, due to the limitations of the way in which the kit is moulded, the detail should go to the very top of the cowl, unfortunately, without major surgery and adjustment to the Pontos set, this would be impossible to replicate.

The inner walkway will need fitting first in the kit funnel, then the detail strip, and then the plastic cowl, followed by the etched cowl detail, joining the hangers from the walkway to the centre arch. In the printed one, the walkway, plastic cowl and cowl detail will need to be constructed as one piece as the walkway doesn't touch the sides, all will become cleared in the next update.



I will see what this looks like, but I think once the walkway is in and with the stay detail, a bit of paint and weathering may deceive the eye in this area, we'll see!

More to come soon.

Cheers, Jabb

_________________
HMS Hood, the big one!

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

The walkways.

Components are these, the centre gangway is NOT the one on the fret, it is an amended part, it is in a separate small packet -



The gangway folded and the handrails bent to shape (note the hangers on the gang-way!) -



and all joined together -



fitted into the funnel -




the finally the detail strip glued in -



Cowl caps next (these look interesting!)

Cheers, Jabb

_________________
HMS Hood, the big one!

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

That looks awesome!!

_________________
Jacques
_________________
Currently working on:
1/350 CVN 65 - Project Enterprise
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=210966

Thank you Jacques

Now for the funnels covers.

I was not looking forward to these, and I was right, what a 'mare. Not my finest attempt at PE!

The initial components -



These need to be vertical, quite easy to do, I used the kit cowl to allow the ends to hang down -



the first one of the folded ones is bent and fitted next -



Followed by the second one and then the long central one -



The lower section is added last, I made a mistake here, it took ages to fit and I need to re-think the order and manner in which I assemble the second one! I also found that when fitting the finishing caps place the large part onto the small part from above as per the picture -



Here is the first of the funnels, not totally happy with this but, once painted, it should hide a few of the sins visible here!




Onward and upward, I hope the other one turns out a bit better!

Cheers, Jabb

_________________
HMS Hood, the big one!

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

that's looking rather good Jab, that extra plating adds quite a bit.

Thanks Pete, it just fills in an area that had no detail, I'm happy with them, and I hope it acts as an idea for others.

Having done one of the funnel caps I tried an alternate method on the other one, starting like this -




However, this was no better than the last way i tried, in fact I ended up stripping it down again and putting it all together as before, but, they are a nightmare, so when you get to this stage, patience is required!

It was now time to finish off by attaching the outer detail. Here's the 'tool's' -



I have rolled the skins to the approximate shape and will use 2-part Epoxy resin glue, and the thread? Read on.

I thought about fitting these for quite a while, without heating to soften the brass, which I hate doing, I'm always afraid that I will distort the piece. so rolling these, untempered, wasn't undertaken lightly, I made sure that the bends were as accurately placed as possible. The glue came with a spreader so this was used to give very thin skim all round, leaving about 3-4 mm at the edges to avoid too much ooze!

And the thread? Well, rather than use masking tape, which doesn't give much tension, I wrapped the thread tightly around the funnel -



the tension that the thread provides gives pressure all around and will ensure a good fit (hopefully!)

So here's all the funnel parts, once the glue has set, I will pop some paint on -



I am away next week so will have a think what to do next. Any ideas?

Cheers, Jabb

_________________
HMS Hood, the big one!

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

Actually, ... I think you cracked it! The thread will provide a nice even tension around the entire surface. Will definatley use the advise. The only mod I would do is to add a stiff insert between the thread and the brass overlay to prevent thread impressions in the brass, as it so thin and the tension rather great. But maybe that's overkill.

Dang, those are looking good. I envy your progress, I am still working on the Admirals platform,lol.

Hi Pete, see below, you don't need an insert, the thread applies sufficient tension with causing any damage (although I was worried initially!)

The epoxy takes 15 hours to set so I left them overnight before removing the thread -



Looking at the end where the joint is I spotted this -



hoping on hope that it wasn't creased by the thread! Thankfully, it was where the resin had oozed out and travelled along the thread lines. So it was out with the toothpaste and brush and a good 20 minutes scrubbing I was left with this -



I then started to scrape some of the brass off at the join, but I think once the etched guy-rope things are attached it will disguise this adequately and no further work is required



I am happy to report that the 'thread Method' works very well!

Also, whilst I was separating some of the parts off of the large funnel sheet 5, I found a surprise -



Do you see what I see? I am prepared to wager that no one else has spotted this yet!

I was amazed! This just shows what lengths Pontos went to in designing this set and as far as I know have not mentioned this anywhere.

See part 410 -



I think that is the patch for the shrapnel damage to the rear funnel which is etched onto the rear surround, but of course, not added to the correctly sized front funnel surround.

This goes to show that the Pontos set is the one to buy! I will post this on the Pontos thread as not everyone looks at these build reports.

Any comments, just post away!

Cheers, Jabb

_________________
HMS Hood, the big one!

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

http://ontheslipway.com/?p=2618

That's the picture I was thinking off EJ, nice to see that they added that into the set tho'!

Cheers, Jabb

_________________
HMS Hood, the big one!

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

Hi Jabb. Make that two of us who noticed the small patch in the funnel fret. Liked very much your funnel caps.
I found them a real punish to get them right and you will be even happier when they are painted. Mine are
certainly not perfect, but when painted and installed, they don't look too bad. Am interested to see how you
intend to tackle the external support stays. I decided to ignore the Pontos stays and make mine out of fine
nylon line. I was concerned that any small bend or kink in a stay would stick out like the proverbial, and the end
result turned out really well. Love your work so far.
Tim.

Excellent work. Your photo-etch is crisp, clean and looks fantastic. This baby is going to be dripping with detail when you finish her.

_________________
Martin

"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." John Wayne

Ship Model Gallery

Hi Tim, thanks for your encouraging words, yep, I will be replacing most, if not all, of the etched rigging, I don't like the look of the two dimensional etch, and at this scale, slightly thicker threads will work nicely. I have also bought some things which I may use as insulators, after some testing of course!



Thank you Martin, the more detail the better!

Priming the funnel internals next, more soon!

Cheers, Jabb

_________________
HMS Hood, the big one!

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

Paint!

Not much time for modelling this weekend, but I have managed to get some paint on to the funnel bits and bobs and also to start to prepare for rigging. (Yes, already!)

The caps -



and innards



As I mentioned to Timhan, I plan to use various threads to add rigging rather than using the 2D etch, so the first step is to drill out the necessary holes in the side of the funnels -



you can see the holes in the bands. These are the drill bits I use -



I hate drilling into resin, it takes its toll of the bits, I drilled 16 holes in the resin funnel and 12 in the plastic kit one -



The broken ones on the left are from the resin and the still intact one on the right is from the plastic! Case proven!

I use rigging loops from NorthStar, the 0.2mm ones will suffice here -



They are really tiny -



but are well worth the effort. You can just see them in place here -



I added the tensioning ropes from the etch kit, they do a good job of hiding the join -



And finally today, added the patch (part 410) that I noticed as mentioned in a previous post. I rubbed the part against a sanding stick to reduce the thickness by about half, bent it slightly and shaved off the rivets to allow it to fit correctly.



I am going to have to do some filling and drilling on the base of the printed funnel as I stupidly didn't check the orientation and fitted the etch detail incorrectly. Measure twice, cut once!

Lesson learnt.

More soon.

Cheers, Jabb

_________________
HMS Hood, the big one!

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

I'm tipping my hat to you sir! those funnels look amazing




Jose

Good work there Jabb, paid off nicely. Before you get much further, check the fit of the front funnel base where it sits under the admirals platform, I had to adjust the position of the brass legs to allow the base to slide between. Regardz, Pete

Thank you Jose, am very happy, can't wait to get some paint on them.

Hi Pete, have already done that, it was a bit tight but, with care, it does just fit, but rather cosily!

I am now looking at the funnel stay wires, I am not using the etched ones, because for one reason as Tim so rightly said, the slightest breath on them and they will kink.

Having looked at a few photos, they appear to be incorrect anyway, rather than the line going from the top band, through a fixing on top of the base and then back up to the lower band, the lower one goes to that fixing and the top band stays go down to the deck, almost parallel to the lower one.

A more detailed explanation of this to follow later in the thread.

This is the rear funnel temporarily fitted to the rear mount -



I dropped a vertical to the mount and drilled a 0.3mm hole -



The rigging loop is pushed gently into the hole after a touch of CA -



That's the centre one fitted, the rear one fits on the side of the bulkhead at the front of that bulkhead -



and that's the two of them fitted, the front ones fit higher up so suitable holes will be drilled and loops fitted when I get to that level.

Here's the front mount, similarly treated, agin the front stays fit at a higher level.



Change of scenery soon as I am going to turn my attention back to the hull and shelter deck.

Thanks for the comments, more soon

Cheers, jabb

_________________
HMS Hood, the big one!

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

I have turned my attention back to the main hull with the intention of getting some primer on soon, but before that, I couldn't resist the temptation of putting some of the bits together -




Before putting any paint on, the etch overlays need the edges knocking off to make a nice smooth transition, so plenty of filling, filing and sanding -



I'll mark the edge with a trusty old Sharpie -



After about 20 minutes of careful sanding, I was left with this -



The other side was treated similarly -





and a start was made on the lower joint -



more to follow.

Cheers, Jabb

_________________
HMS Hood, the big one!

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

This WIP is a Master Class on how to use photo-etch. Inspiring stuff.

_________________
Martin

"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." John Wayne

Ship Model Gallery