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Great observation! I've merged this thread into the Calling all Imperial German Navy Große Kreuzer fans thread, so we don't lose the information.

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That picture is clearly post of Jutland because the presence of the life rafts in the turret sides, lack of torpedo nets and most of all the presence of the concrete patch in the starboard side turret (turret B) just next to the right gun, following a penetration on that battle.

I have the Warship Pictorial 47 and I'm really happy to learn that it will be one of the German Battleships too.

The cutouts were also added later in the Derflinger. I found it out by viewing pics closely when I build the Flyhawk Derflinger in her 1915 fit out. In my case I had to close the cutouts and straighten the deck.

Greetings Christian

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1/700 IJN Yahagi

Gents:
I'm currently working on a 1:700 Seydlitz.
I've got a question on the air recognition markings.
Pages 22 and 23 of Warship Pictorial 47 make reference to the markings being on both the "Anton" and "Caesar" turrets.
On the https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww1/germany/seydlitz illustration shows the air recognition markings on "Anton" and "Dora". I'm inclined to go with the Warships Illustrated photos, although the "Caesar" marking isn't that evident.
Do any of you know of a definitive work that illustrates the air recognition markings of the High Seas Fleet at Jutland?
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Jim

Both are correct. It deppends how you name the turrets. If we go for the British convention of name the bow turrets A-B-C..., the middle turrets P-Q-R... and the aft ones X-Y, the Seydlitz Turrets would be A-P-Q-X-Y with the circles in A and X.
Probably you are counting A-B-C.... to name the turrets so then they would be A(A)-B(P)-C(Q)-D(X)-E(Y) then for you the marking is in D turret.
Then probably Warship Pictorial 47 is using the German convention of naming the turrets in a clockwise or anticlockwise (I dont remember) manner then the turrets are A(A)-B(P or Q)-C(X)-D(Y)-E(Q or P) then the circle is in the C turret (always the superfiring aft one or X).

In Seydlitz the turrets were named Anna, Berta, Cäsar, Dora, Emil

The Warship Pictorial refers to the first turret as "Anton"
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Jim

Not somewhere you would immediately think to look for photos of German ships, but there is a veritable treasure trove of photos of the Yavuz (ex Goeben) available online on the U.K. Imperial War Museum Website:
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/search?query=yavuz&pageSize=90&filters%5BwebCategory%5D%5BPhotographs%5D=on&page=0

The majority seem to have been taken in August 1966 by which time Yavuz was out of commission and berthed at Gölcük. There are plenty of 'walkaround' exterior photos and even some interior ones. Lots of angles and details that should be very useful to modellers.

Can anyone point me in the direction of some decent diagrams of the SMS Seydlitz torpedo netting shelf and booms. I tried the CASF board but didn't notice a section for Seydlitz. The Hobby Boss kit doesn't include them and the Infini upgrade set is out of my price range. So an attempt at scratch building is my only option.

Thanks much!

Hello!

While reading Gary Staffs book I realised some faults in Hobbyboss Seydlitz model. In real ship the deck under anchor chains was unpainted wood, not steel. The double barrelled capstan did not have a large steel disc under it. The one between capstans.

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Mifune,

I have a copy of Staff's book and am engaged in making a 1:200 "scratch" model of SMS HINDENBURG: I am therefore obliged to accept what you say on what you call the powered "windlass" when making a model from a commercial kit of SMS SEYDLITZ. I do agree on the appearance of the "scotchman" under the chain cables of German warships. They were in fact of a different species of wood from the rest of the deck and I believe would appear slightly darker than the rest of the deck surface.

That said, I take the chance of advising anyone sufficiently interested in the subject ship type, that while the book is probably the best that we are likely to get printed in English for some while, one still needs to exercise caution in accepting the coloured "renditions" in it as "gospel." It is a good photographic resource though.

81542,

No obligation. It's up to modeller to deside. Have fun with your Hindenburg model!

Seydlitz had rails for boats on her deck. That is new to me.

I think I am going to do something like this.

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Mikko Saarela

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Hello.

When did they land Derfflinger's boat davits? Before Jutland or were these wrecked in battle?

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Mikko Saarela

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mifune,

The published photographic evidence that I possess of the ship shows that she did not have her sea-boat davits fitted at Jutland.

Like her sisters, Lützow and Hindenburg, Derfflinger was equipped with davits of the angle iron type when completed: hers were of a slightly different appearance. They all seem to have had them removed after initial trials when the ships became operational, however, the fittings to hold them remained in place.

Thank you for confirmation! Those davits look good but are difficult to build.

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