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USS Arleigh Burke vs. HMS Daring, which is the better ship?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:44 am 
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The Arleigh Burke's seem to have reliable engines and carry anti-ship missiles so they are the clear winner. The RN seems to be returning to the days when warships had to look impressive (spit and polish) and less attention is paid to what would happen in wartime.

The lack of a replacement for Harpoon when it is retired in 2018 is a sure sign that priorities are skewed in favour of style over substance with the present government. It will be interesting to watch the 65000 ton HMS Queen Elizabeth sailing around with 7 F-35s as well. That was the last number I heard for the planned airwing.

Unfortunately the men and women who serve in the RN are expected to potentially put their lives on the line while self-serving politicians make decisions that save a relatively small amount of money but could lead to disaster.

The Arleigh Burke's have a balanced armament and a proven design so they win!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:16 pm 
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The Arleigh Burke has certainly many advantages, but the newer ships (Flight IIA) all have NO anti-ship missiles. They can use only their SM-2 to defend themselves against ships. The Daring class has Harpoon missiles - at least until they have to be replaced (also true for the early Arleigh Burke?).

The Samson radar of the Daring is a newer technology (active phased array vs. passive phased array in case of Arleigh Burke) and the antenna is higher in the ship. The SMART-L long range radar is also superior in long range performance. On the other hand, the Daring has only a turning antenna, whereas there are four larger SPY-1 antenna on the Arleigh Burke. For sure, the Arleigh Burke have the clear advantage in regard of the number of VLS cells.

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The Darings do not carry Harpoon as standard. They are fitted if is deemed necessary for a particular deployment. Also the Royal Navy only has Harpoon Block 1C which is pretty old now.

Maxim, having said that, I am very surprised to learn that the Fliaght II A do not have any anti-ship missiles. Perhaps the Bristish disease for suicidal penny-pinching is catching!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:32 am 
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At least four of them apparently got the ones from the Type 22 Batch 3 frigates. The question is what kind of Harpoon the old Arleigh Burke have - from the same time as the Type 22 Batch 3 ;)

The USN was not yet able to develop a new anti-ship missile. It is buying now the Norwegian NSM. The NSM and the newest Swedish RBS-15 are the only new Western anti-ship missiles with launchers for use on ships available.

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maxim wrote:
At least four of them apparently got the ones from the Type 22 Batch 3 frigates. The question is what kind of Harpoon the old Arleigh Burke have - from the same time as the Type 22 Batch 3 ;)

The USN was not yet able to develop a new anti-ship missile. It is buying now the Norwegian NSM. The NSM and the newest Swedish RBS-15 are the only new Western anti-ship missiles with launchers for use on ships available.

Maybe, maybe not.
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True, there is also a new development of the Otomat missile: Mk2 Block IV/Teseo Mk2/A. I am not sure how advanced is the latest Exocet version. The Korean and Japanese navy have also their own anti-ship missiles: SSM-700K Haeseong and Type 90 (SSM-1B). All are slow compared to the newest Russian missiles.

Most western navies still use old Harpoon missiles.

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