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The ships of the UK's World War II-era King George V class are handsome ships with terrific service records. Like many warships, each is slightly different in appearance.

Here is a link to my project to convert Tamiya's 1/350 HMS King George V to HMS Duke of York as she appeared in 1945:
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UPDATED: ADDED AVAILABLE KING GEORGE V CLASS KIT AND GALLERY ENTRIES:
Available Kits
1/700:
Matchbox (also released by Revell) Duke of York
Tamiya King George V
Tamiya Prince of Wales
Flyhawk Prince of Wales

1/600:
Airfix King George V

1/400
Heller King George V

1/350:
Tamiya King George V
Tamiya Prince of Wales
MiniHobby King George V
Flyhawk Prince of Wales (announced, not yet released)

Gallery Entries
1/700:
Il Choi’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Li Wai Kit’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Rob Kernaghan’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
An Chu’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Jeremy Bouvry’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Kostas Katseas’ Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Darrin Gosse’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Dhitii Norasedterakul’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Krzysztof Andrzejak’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Won-hui Lee’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Kostas Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Ron Dickerson’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Christoph Mentzel’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Rainer Michalek’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Markus Fabke’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
David LaPell’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Anthony Tow’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
An Chu’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Michael Wain’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Nanond Napparat’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Witold Kosinski’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Krzysztof Andrzejak’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Eleven Wong’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Luqmanul Hakim’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Won-hui Lee’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Another Won-hui Lee’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Manuel González’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Dan Hartwell’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Jaap Pluimgraaff’s Revell (Matchbox) Duke of York: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Bob Nandell’s Tamiya POW as DoY: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Jim Zee’s Matchbox DoY: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Rob Kernaghan’s Tamiya KGV at Howe: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Kostas’ Tamiya KGV as Anson: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

1/570 and 1/600:
1/570 Revell KGV by Erick Navas: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
1/570 Revell KGV by Paul Stewart: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
1/570 Revell KGV by Bob Nandell: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
1/570 Revell POW by Les Foran: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
1/570 Revell POW by Bruno Lorente: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
1/570 Revell POW by Erick Navas: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
1/570 Revell DoY: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Marcos Paulo’s Airfix KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Alberto Nobili’s Airfix KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Steve Power’s Airfix KGV as POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Michael Griggs’ Airfix KGV as POW (w/Repulse): http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Andrew Jones’ Airfix KGV as DoY: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

1/400:
Pawel Kosik’s Heller KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Anthony Perrotta’s Heller KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Peter O’Donnell’s Heller KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Gary Smith’s Heller KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

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3D-printed gray resin (best material!) - https://www.model-monkey.com/
3D-printed Shapeways' white acrylic - https://modelmonkey.wixsite.com/modelmonkey


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Here is a link to Peter Beisheim's fantastic 1/200 scale HMS Duke of York (1943).

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/shipmodels/british_models/dukeofyorkbeisheim.html

UPDATED: MORE GALLERY ENTRIES:
1/350:
Kjetil Lindahl’s Tamiya King George V: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Jeff Farr’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Stuart Hall’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Stuart Hall’s Tamiya Prince of Wales: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Noel Carpio’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Kai Wang’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Martin Julis’ Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Michael Hatfield’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Erick Navas MiniHobby KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Tim Froggatt’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Louis Carabott’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Ryan Labieniec’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Neal Hearn’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Robert Apfelzweig’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Evans Pappas’ Tamiya KGV (1943): http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Colin Swager’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Martin Gajdosik’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Andy Poulastides’ Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Chris Flodberg’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Chris Flodberg’s Tamiya KGV as Howe: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Chris Flodberg’s Tamiya Prince of Wales: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
A second Tamiya Prince of Wales from Chris Flodberg: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Lim Kian Seng’s Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Another Tamiya KGV by Colin Swager: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Kostas 1943 Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Kostas 1945 Tamiya KGV: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Ioannes Kim’s Tamiya KGV (1941): http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Kai Wang’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Digilio Fernández’s MiniHobby POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Andy Elwood’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Ian Morris’ Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Jeff Farr’s POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Patrick Roach’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Enric Balsa’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Dave Lockhart’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Ray Guinta’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Alex Wolfenson’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Mark Deakin’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Marko Smokovic’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Michael Taylor’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Tom Stormer’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Bruce Scott’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Ken Summa’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Ted Bunn’s MiniHobby POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

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3D-printed Shapeways' white acrylic - https://modelmonkey.wixsite.com/modelmonkey


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HI Steve,
This is interesting because replacing the deck is exactly what I planned to do for my build. I plan to do PoW around May 1941, so shortly after commissioning and before the Bismarck chase.

Did you say you had scribed the deck again, it's a bit difficult to see on the photos.

I plan to build mine waterline as well, so a recently purchased Dremel will perhaps persuade me to finally start it.

I did consider a wooden deck, then realised it would be painted in 1941 anyway so a lot of effort would be wasted.

Looking good so far!

Mike

UPDATED: ADDITIONAL GALLERY ENTRIES (LIMIT IS 50 URL'S PER POST):
1/350 continued:
Alexander Glass’ Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Nicholas Boyd’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Erick Navas’ MiniHobby POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Roy Allen’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Peter Van Buren’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Brian MacLeish’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Tony Sutherland’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Hong Seungmin’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Hyun Soo Kim’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Robert Apfelzweig’s Tamiya POW: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
Erick Navas’ MiniHobby Howe: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
Erick Navas’ MiniHobby Anson: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

Other Scales:
1/146 Fleetscale Howe by Ray Collyer: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
1/160 scratchbuilt KGV by Norberto B. Pontes: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
1/192 scratchbuilt Duke of York by Dennis Vella: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
1/196 scratchbuilt DoY by Norman Gillaspy: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
1/200 scratchbuilt KGV by Song Jung Gun: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm
1/200 GPM POW by Christoph Suchy: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
1/1200 Neptun KGV by Katarzyna Manikowska viltianus: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm


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Thanks, Mike!

Please post some pics of your PoW build as you make her.

To replicate the planked deck, I laid down Evergreen brand V-groove styrene sheet, very good to work with and extremely realistically replicates planked decks.

Hope this helps!

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Hi Steve
I'll have a look out for the evergreen, does it come with different widths between the grooves and which did you use?

I will attempt to keep a log of the build but I expect it to be something of a long term committment. I hope to get a copy of the new Profile Morskie on the KGV class at Telford, or at least have a look to make sure it isn't the same old photos repackaged.

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Hi Mike!

Oh yes the v-groove styrene sheet does come in various widths between grooves as well as different thickness of sheet. I used .025" (0.64mm) spacing x .020" (0.5mm) thick sheet.

Here's are a couple vendors' links that show some of what is available and prices:

http://www.dhcinc.com/evergreen2.htm#Board%20&%20Batten
http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?qui ... _butt.y=12

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HI Steve,
Thanks, I'll try and hunt some out over this side of the pond.

I think I will begin my build after Telford, hopefully will have enough references to make a start but time will be short until then.

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Steve,
I forgot to say and was only reminded earlier this evening when I was looking at it, but WEM are doing seconds on the KGV etched brass at a reduced price. I bought one and other than a couple of bent rails it was perfect. Not sure if you already have one but very much worth it even at full price!

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I'm thinking of trying to finish my Airfix 1/600 KGV (below), which I'm building as of May 27, 1941. The construction of the Airfix parts is mostly done, "all" that is left is the WEM set specifically designed for the ship (it's a project unto itself).

Does anyone know if she carried her Walrus exposed on the catapult during the engagement with Bismark? I flipped through Tarrants book on the KGV -class last night, and the only picture of KGV during the battle I saw was very dark. I'd like to just leave the Walrus off if it was flown off or put in the hangar. I'd be surprised if it was still on board, due to the risk of fire, but I didn't see it mentioned in the book.

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Hi Martin,
Given the foul weather at the time of the engagement I would have thought it would not be possible to launch the aircraft since safe recovery would have been almost impossible. Also given the heavy mist I doubt how much use a spotter aircraft would be. I have never heard any mention of use of any aircraft or any being considered. Obviously I stand to be corrected on this but I think you are safe to leave the aircraft safely tucked away in the hanger.

Looking good by the way!

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Martin! She's a real beauty! Please post more pics. She has that tough "Bismarck killer" look.

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Steve- what paint techniques and formulations are you using on KGV?

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Hello, Sean!

The red hull is red automotive primer purchased from an auto parts store
sprayed from a can. I like the way automotive red primer replicates real
anti-fouling red. Boot stripe: black automotive primer sprayed from a
can. Gray hull: gray automotive primer sprayed from a can. I used
automotive primer on the hull because it looks great and gives the hull a
tough finish that handles well.

The hull was painted before the decks were installed. Red primer was
sprayed first. The boot stripe was painted rather unconventionally. I
think most modelers paint the red bottom and gray upper hull then finally
mask off and apply the boot stripe last. Rather than that method, I tried
painting in this order, red, black, then gray upper works last. I taped off
the red with Tamiya masking tape along the bottom of the boot stripe
then sprayed black primer all above. After the black hardened, I taped
off the boot stripe top and everything below and sprayed gray all above
that.

The decks and superstructure are all airbrushed with ModelMaster
Acryl using a Badger 200 I have had since I was 13 (that's 29 years
ago). Trusty old Badger!

I have four small, curious kids now and am temporarily living in a small
apartment while on temporary duty so I use non-toxic acrylic almost
exclusively now when indoors.

For Christmas, my wife Cathy bought me two PE sets including WEM's
Ultimate King George V set
. What Loren Perry did for Tamiya's
Missouri
, WEM did for all the ships of the KGV class.

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There is a KGV class book in publication now, entitled "King George V Class Battleships" by Roger Chesneau (published by Chatham in 2004 - ISBN 1 86176 211 9). Although not as detailed or technical as the superb Raven & Roberts book, it is nevertheless a useful book for modelers and is rather inexpensive (about $18-20 US).

It contains detailed 1/700 scale plans of KGV in 1940 and 1945, excellent drawings of color schemes for KGV and PoW, terrific photographs of all ships of the class, and wonderful photographs of many superb KGV class models including two photographs of the official HMS King George V builders model residing in the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich.

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Stephen Larsen wrote:
There is a very good KGV class book in publication now, entitled "King George V Class Battleships" by Roger Chesneau (published by Chatham in 2004 - ISBN 1 86176 211 9). Although not as detailed or technical as the superb Raven & Roberts book, it is nevertheless a very good book for modelers and is rather inexpensive (about $18-20 US).

It contains detailed 1/700 scale plans of KGV in 1940 and 1945, excellent drawings of color schemes for KGV and PoW, terrific photographs of all ships of the class, and wonderful photographs of many superb KGV class models including two photographs of the official HMS King George V builders model residing in the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich.


The fellow you speak of Steve is also on my British Battleships reference list in the book section on this site with a photo.

In my opinion its a poor book and well below par for Roger Chesneau.

But I won't criticise it too much his heart is with the right Navy after all! :heh:

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If you haven't dropped by Laurence's list of references please do so. It's a real treat full of great resources.

Laurence, I'll have to pick up a copy of Ensign #1 before I finish Duke of York. Thanks for the recommendation!

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HMS Prince of Wales references from "WarshipBuilder":

http://www.forcez-survivors.org.uk/

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/prince.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/A1152299

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-f ... /pow12.htm

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Hi Guys,
Rich Durham has posted some excellent 1/700 Tamiya KGV progress pics on the "Picture Post", thread.
I wanted to make sure that you guys did not miss them.
faithfully submitted, Tony Bunch

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I have a question regarding colors on the KGV. I want to depict it in the 'measure' scheme that had the blue/grey stripe down the side and the allover grey with wood decks. I believe it is on the side of the tamiya box as well in that scheme, allong with a gallery shot in Mike Ashey's book basics of ship modeling.

I am much more familliar with US ships. Does anyone know the colors used in that scheme and what time frame it was used? Also, is the anti fouling red the same as us ships or darker? Thanks! :wave_1: And is there any Royal Navy website like navsource?

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 Post subject: Royal Navy Colors
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:10 pm 
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Kevin, look at this link for a primer on WWII Royal Navy Camo:
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/3_1.htm

There is a thread on the Main Forum titled "King George camo", take a look at it. My thoughts are at the end of the thread.

HTH, Rich


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