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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:36 am 
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On the other hand...
I'm thinking now of modifying the FoV/Unimax to the 1970s configuration.
Using the Revell island as a reference.

What do you think about this?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:05 am 
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Hi,
Started some modifications on the Forces of Valor / Unimax / Waltersons USS Enterprise (see below).
Removed flight deck and island. Stripped island to basics to make the beehive design.

Does anyone have detailed dimensions of the island or even some CAD files?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:23 am 
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Is that scale 1/720?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:30 am 
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No,

that should be 1/700. Haven't checked the dimensions though.
On Nov. 11 I posted a picture of the beehive design island by Revell next to the FoV, showing the difference in size.

See also https://www.forcesofvalor.com/products_ ... .php?pid=6

And picture below.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:03 pm 
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Greetings,

Is the Forces of Valor Enterprise a waterline kit? All of my 700 scale carriers are water line. It looks like you can tear it down pretty easily and kit bash it to a higher fidelity model carrier. I may have to try that.

Also, have you seen this island?

https://www.shapeways.com/product/2ABAQ ... arketplace


I asked the designer if he could make a 1/700 scale version of it.

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Hi Mark,

Fortunately, the FoV model can be easily modified to waterline configuration.
The lower hull is fixed with 4 screws and the split is right above the black waterline. However you have to cut the screw bosses flush.

Separating the deck is easy, as it's only glued at a few points, mainly at the beams next to the elevators. Separation of the island is more challenging.

If interested, I can show how the stuff is assembled and how to tear it down.

A big advantage of the new revision by Waltersons is that they did not paint the medium grey color like upper hull, island, catwalks.

Regards,
Juergen


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Hi Juergen,

Thanks for the update and pics. Looks like that kit may be a good substitute for the one Dragon promised and never delivered.

Thanks again,

Mark


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Mark,

Thanks for the link to Shapeways and Digital Sprue.
Did you get a reply?

Juergen


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Hi Juergen,

No reply from the designer. Perhaps you could start a thread and ask for a 1/700 sale Island as well. Perhaps two requests are more than twice as good???

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To all, who might plan to use the Forces of Valor stuff as a basis for a good model.

1. Used plastic material is much harder than standard Polystyrene. Maybe Polycarbonate. So it's hard to cut and some glues might not work properly.

2. The elevators do not align properly with the upper hull. So cutting out an elevator, you will need to do big modifications. See attached picture of removed No. 2 elevator.

Juergen


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:27 am 
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Mark,

I did not get a reply from the designer as well.

If someone could give me detailed dimensions of the island, I would be able to do a 3D CAD model.
Especially the beehive and t-shaped antenna dimensions are important.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:49 am 
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CAD model of beehive started by using Revell 1/720 as template. Needs tweaking to make proportions right.

Main island scratch build started as well.

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Some more progress.


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Hi Juergen,

Really nice work. I will be interested in buying a 1/700 scale Island if you offer it up for sale! Maybe you can do a 3D Mast as well. A late 60's fit would be really great!!

Well done,

Mark


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I'll try my very best.
But also I would need more pictures or dimensions.
Most likely, I will just offer the CAD data, not 3D prints.

Regarding late 60's fit: Which antennas were used at which time frame?
It seems to me, that more modifications were done, as Jon has pointed out in his listing (Aug 22, 2017).

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So,

Here is a photo of Enterprise shortly after commissioning. Notice that there is one cross bar.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/026594.jpg


Here is another shot later in the 60's. Notice that there are two cross bars. So sometime in 1964 Enterprise went through an yard period where I think that work was accomplished.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/59/09590176.jpg

She carried that configuration with a few additional antennae until the major overhaul in 1980.

MM


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Hi,

Found several antenna configurations during that timeframe.

Antenna at port-stern location changed from round to rectangular shape.
Antenna domes temporarily attached.

Could not find pictures showing those differences better. Also exact timeframe is unknown to me.

So you would be interested in the 1969 configuration?

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Hi Juergen,

Ideally, I would want to do the 1968 cruise but I would take what I can get.

Thanks,

Mark


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I can do any, as long as I have enough references (and time...).

And all shapes except major dimensions will be estimations.

Progress so far:


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Anyone aware, if this dented shape is valid for the old island as well?


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