Calling all Steregushchy-class (Стерегущий) Project 20380 corvette fans

[Dave Wooley]

What Yevgeniy has said about the stated dimensions which are highly suspect can lead to some problems which will translate to other problems with the hull form and complex superstructure. But the forward bulb was certainly a very difficult part of the drawing and thus any hull drawn will be �speculative� but as there are no "official drawings" available then it doesn't matter so much. The drawing that I have are close to the "images" and as my friend is a naval architect he used his general professional knowledge to harvest the key shapes , translate these mathematically and compile the set of drawings . As I said it's all speculative but in the end if it makes for a reasonable representation of the vessel in model form then that�s about the closest you will get.
Dave Wooley

[SMART-L]

You're totally right Dave but a lot of drawings of vessels we modellers would like to build are kept stowed away in some dark places with mushrooms at the yards.
As I don't like building another Ticonderoga or so, I have made it my hobby to draw the drawings myself. In the same way as your friend does it. And for people who know me, I don't finish my projects untill it's as accurate as I can accomplish
The real dimensions of the ship are speculative but I've seen a lot of the same numbers at different sources.
When it looks good to the eye it's usually no problem if a dimension is a few millimeters off.

So if people are interested in the Stereguschy's hull let me know.

Why doesn't your friend publish his drawing? May it be for a certain financial compensation.

Pim

[Sean Hert]

I would love to see them!

[Dave Wooley]

I would love to see them!

So far there are about 50 or so drawings but no GA as yet, I am waiting in anticipation for this .But for Sean and Pim here is a sample of one of the drawings. I must stress these are speculative drawings for the model at 1:100 scale.
Pim as for financial compensation, no that is not the case although I hope that in due course they will be made available but originally they where compiled at my request. So far he has spent many hours on these drawings and I for one would not begrudge some recompense if he decides to release these plans through the model press or as a free lance and why shouldn't he be recompensed for his efforts. I personally have no problem with that. If you wish to make a drawing available for free then that it your choice and for that I applaud your generosity .
Whilst these drawings are compiled for a model they are not what you would call modellers draughts . Here is but one of the drawings relating to the "Roll Damping Fin"


Dave Wooley

[Guest]

Great friends you have Dave:)
Offcourse if anyone put that much time and effort in it I would give them financial compensation. i myself am only developing a linesplan right now. But it looks like these drawings took a lot of research. Maybe a little too much for a scale model. U can build the real thing with these drawings, they even have a frameline on them!!
But I finally finished your Kiev report and I can imagine the amount of detail you're looking for in the drawings.

[SMART-L]

Great friends you have Dave:)
Offcourse if anyone put that much time and effort in it I would give them financial compensation. i myself am only developing a linesplan right now. But it looks like these drawings took a lot of research. Maybe a little too much for a scale model. U can build the real thing with these drawings, they even have a frameline on them!!
But I finally finished your Kiev report and I can imagine the amount of detail you're looking for in the drawings.


greetings,
Pim

[Skipper46]

You're totally right Dave but a lot of drawings of vessels we modellers would like to build are kept stowed away in some dark places with mushrooms at the yards.
As I don't like building another Ticonderoga or so, I have made it my hobby to draw the drawings myself. In the same way as your friend does it. And for people who know me, I don't finish my projects untill it's as accurate as I can accomplish
The real dimensions of the ship are speculative but I've seen a lot of the same numbers at different sources.
When it looks good to the eye it's usually no problem if a dimension is a few millimeters off.

So if people are interested in the Stereguschy's hull let me know.
Why doesn't your friend publish his drawing? May it be for a certain financial compensation.

Pim

I have worked up my own hull lines for this class in 1/72 scale (I want to build SOOBRAZITELNY with VLS forward - KASHTAN gives me a headache, not possessing Dave's skills!) but would be most interested in comparing notes. I am also interested in Dave's drawings and agree that some form of compensation would be appropriate - the time saving from not having to draw up working plans would make reasonable compensation worth while. Cheers Dave P

[SMART-L]

Yeah...that's the spirit. We could do a research together Would be very satisfying I think. What method did you use to draw up her hull lines skipper? One thing I'm still struggling is her width. One way or the other, whatever scaling I use the beam doesn't really line up with the drawings I've seen. Am now at a width o.a. of 13.1 m.

Kind regards,
Pim

[Skipper46]

Yeah...that's the spirit. We could do a research together Would be very satisfying I think. What method did you use to draw up her hull lines skipper? One thing I'm still struggling is her width. One way or the other, whatever scaling I use the beam doesn't really line up with the drawings I've seen. Am now at a width o.a. of 13.1 m.

Kind regards,
Pim

Yes I found the same issue. Decided to go with 104.5 overall and then see what happened with the beam. Have used the Polish plan sheet (which shows no hull lines) as my basis - provides at least two sections, then, using the various photographs, and hull side angles, I estimated waterplanes and buttock lines - all a bit rough I admit. I now intend to use the estimated lines on a 1/200 balsa hull to assess fairng and hull lines against the photographs. When I am happy with that then I will cut the hull into sections to derive refined cross sections and refine the buttock lines and waterplanes so have a way to go yet!!What is your approach?

[SMART-L]

Hello,

I constructed a 3D model from the polish plan with the help of some shipbuilding software:

And draw sections from it on a sheet. This is what I came up with so far:

But deckheight seems to be really low. Only 2500 mm in some places.

Kind regards,
Pim

[Skipper46]

Hi Pim Great piece of work! Makes my attempts look positively agricultural. What packages did you use? I was playing with DELFTship but not getting anywhere (getting too old to learn new tricks I suppose). Cross sections are very close to what I produced. I would be happy building a 1/72 RC model to these drawings. Dont think 2500mm is necessarily too low for a warship from my experience. Cheers David

[SMART-L]

Yeah it looks really good . I started modelling my ship hulls when I got sick and tired of the rubbish plans I got on the doorstep.
Guess it comes from reproducing, but the scale of sideviews/topviews never seems to align perfectly with the framelines.

So I decided to use Maxsurf (it's from your country mate) to model the ships hull and project it in AutoCAD. Now I have perfectly formed hulls on my shelves .
I also use it for preliminary stability calculations. I don't like DelftShip that much. It's much to complicated.

When I finish the plans i'll give you a pm, so I can send it to you as pdf. Hope you can use it for your own hull.

gr. Pim

[Skipper46]

Thanks Pim. Sounds great. Will PM you.

David

[ozpirate]

Gday all. I realize it's not about the Steregushchy class this question I'm about to ask but here it is anyway. I have been sorting out my collection on Modern Russian Warships and came across a problem. I have a drawing near the stern of the Neustrashimy Class warship which shows on this drawing a tunnel between the props and the stern of the ship. Picture is attached below. Can anyone confirm this with a picture of the ship to be accurate or false in this drawing.

[coaster]

Hi, I'm building Orange Hobby's kit of the Steregushchyy and I was given some Russian links, there were drawings on one of them, sorry can't remember which! I apologise if you've already seen them.
http://forums.airbase.ru/2007/08/t57614 ... schij.html
http://paralay.com/20380.html
http://navsource.narod.ru/photos/06/369/index.html
F

[JohnMGD]

Yeah it looks really good . I started modelling my ship hulls when I got sick and tired of the rubbish plans I got on the doorstep.
Guess it comes from reproducing, but the scale of sideviews/topviews never seems to align perfectly with the framelines.

So I decided to use Maxsurf (it's from your country mate) to model the ships hull and project it in AutoCAD. Now I have perfectly formed hulls on my shelves .
I also use it for preliminary stability calculations. I don't like DelftShip that much. It's much to complicated.

When I finish the plans i'll give you a pm, so I can send it to you as pdf. Hope you can use it for your own hull.

gr. Pim

Pim,

I placed a question in the thread of Steregushchy on http://forums.airbase.ru/2012/10/t57614 ... .8313.html about drawings of the ship. but due to classified restrictions, they told me, it was not possible to put them on the forum. I am very interested in your plans, they look perfect and very usable to me, so would you count me in when distributing your plans as PDF file ??

Greetings

John.

[ozpirate]

Ozpirate AKA Mick has started posting the build of his Steregushchy (Stergy) at:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=73093&start=300

[maxim]

Here some photos of Soobrazitelnyy, when she visited Kiel this year:

http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?op ... ve-schiffe
http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?op ... &Itemid=55

[Neptune]

Ok, since there is some construction ongoing on Stereguchiy class ships, these links will definately prove useful. Found this site a while back for my own research (not Stere class though). But it's handyfor all kinds of modelling or Russian and non-Russian models. Lots of walk arounds and pictures really taken with the viewpoint of a modeller!

Boikiy
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=2699

Soobraztelniy
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=2730

And Stereguchiy herself:
From a distance, but sharp close-ups nonetheless:
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1777
From closer-by
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1082
And onboard Stere:
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1122

[ozpirate]

Neptune what have you done to me!
So many new good images. At least now I can see the differences between the 3 ships (Stereguchiy, Soobraztelniy and Boikiy) which you supplied images of.
Also it cleared up a problem I had in front of the main gun. Thanks for that at least.
As for the rest of the people building this class of ship there will be no excuse for not having the right info to their ship. Not mixing radars and electronic systems from ship to ship.