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Count me in, will post a pic of kit tomorrow.

Happy Modeling

John

Here is my kit for my build



Happy Modeling

John

Another update, just been working on the camouflage at the moment.

Another update. The forward superstructure is all glued together (but not glued to the deck) and I think I'm done with it besides a few touch ups on the paint. I got the two 40mm twins assembled, now they need to be painted. The 20mm guns are super fidley (for me at least), but look good when finished.

She is looking pretty sweet Abram!

Keep up the good work!

MM

I agree with Mark, She looks great, Love the 40mm's and Sweet camo

Happy Modeling

John

Hey guys! My project is the upcoming Arleigh Burke Flight III DDG/CG. The new version of the actual Flight III design is not determined yet. It's supposed to be able to...like blow the moon out of the sky or something stupid like that, but I have made my own plan for a more economical DDG51 FlightIII/CG-74. This ship would be a replacement for at least the 5 decommissioned Ticonderoga-class CGs. I have in my possession the actual plans for the Flight III that was proposed back in 1989. Those plans alone would be a good replacement for CG-47-51, but why stop there? Based off those plans, the modernization in technology, and the current needs of the Navy, I have produced what I would recommend to...oh say the Chief of Naval Operation for a decently economical future procurement instead of something that could take on the Death Star.

The Flight III design called for a 35' plug to be added to the hull. As a side note (and as a clue for a future project I already have drawn out ) the Burke hull form can accommodate a 55' plug before it begins to interfere with hydrodynamic characteristics.

In the later pictures you can see that the red plastic (the draft of the hull) has the scale 35' plug in it. Added are the bilge keels and the Prairie Masker system.

I am sure you guys can pick out the equipment you see in the pictures.

navydavesof wrote:My project is the upcoming Arleigh Burke Flight III DDG/CG.

Looking good! I like the -9B. Nicely done.

Hey, just a thought... If the Mk110's were consolidated into a single mount placed where the RAM is, then one gun would suffice to provide about the same field of fire as the two. That's in keeping with the Navy's practice of reducing the number of guns/missles to the bare minimum. Of course, on the other hand, there's a lot to be said for redundancy. I don't know where the RAM would go, though. Like I said, it's just a thought.

What are you covering with the location of the Masker belts? As I recall, the Perry's two belts were located to cover the forward engine room and something else (I forget the second one's purpose). The Perry's forward most belt was located just a bit forward of midships. On the model, the belts seem somewhat far forward, especially with a plug inserted, but I don't have any internal arrangement drawings for a Burke. I'm just curious whether you had a specifc location plan or if they're just placed generically? Also, the belts on a Perry stop near the keel but don't actually cross it, if I remember correctly. Whether that would be true for a Burke installation, I have no idea.

I'm impressed with the speed of your builds! Of course, compared to my snail's pace builds, everyone looks fast.

Looking forward to more!

Regards,
Bob

carr wrote: Looking good! I like the -9B. Nicely done.

Thanks. I cannot find any pictures of them on Burkes yet, and I only got so close to the piers my last trip to Norfolk. As of now only the Flight Is. On a side note, at least one Flight IIA has Harpoons criss-crossed between the stacks now. Muhuhuhuhu! They have finally gotten their heads on straight.

carr wrote: Hey, just a thought... If the Mk110's were consolidated into a single mount placed where the RAM is...in keeping with the Navy's practice of reducing the number of guns/missles to the bare minimum. Of course, on the other hand, there's a lot to be said for redundancy. I don't know where the RAM would go, though.

That was the idea with replacing the aft Phalanx mount with a RAM. The right arrangement would be for a Burke to have 2 Phalanx and 2 RAM, but like you said, the Navy has a tendency to reduce weapons to one-on-a-ship. The justification for the arrangement I have, however, is that the Mk110s are BIG point defense weapons and can be used against craft ranging from boats to the slow, clumbsy missiles that hopefully Iran or someone else silly would bring to the table. I imagine that possibly in the Navy's world that would take the place of one Phalanx and one RAM mount. Otherwise, the RAM and Mk110 could literally swap. Deflectors would just have to be put between the launchers and the air-intakes.

carr wrote:What are you covering with the location of the Masker belts? On the model, the belts seem somewhat far forward...I'm just curious whether you had a specifc location plan or if they're just placed generically? Also, the belts on a Perry stop near the keel but don't actually cross it, if I remember correctly.

There is a guy down there with a whole compartment full of pots and pans, and all he does is bang them together. But really, that is how they are set up on the real Burkes. The plug might dictate them be pulled back a little. Yes, they do cross the keel in one, big, long strip. When I first learned about it I thought this technique was the coolest thing! SIMPLE!!! Super simple.

I picture it like they're sitting around a table with a pen and napkins. "So, how do you quiet the ship?"
"Well, why not just blow a bunch of bubbles over the hull?"
"Where does the air come from...your butt? No. You would have to have an air compressor that would break and make its own noise, right?"
"Ah...well....okay....wait, no! Run it from the propulsion plant."
"Niccccce."

I'm impressed with the speed of your builds! Of course, compared to my snail's pace builds, everyone looks fast.

Thank you so much. I only have a few days to pound as much work as I can out of this, then, into the box until Japan it goes. I leave Virginia-land.

Here is my entry to the group build, USS The Sullivans, DDG 68 1/350 scale by Dragon, full hull. I will be using White Ensign photoetched details and some Veteran Models goodies, as you will notice in the two following photos:





Works at the shipyard have not started yet, drydock is being prepared and the workers will comense work as soon as possible...

By the way, everyones progress thus far is looking great, hope to see more people participate in this group build...

Progress report:

I decided to waterline the hull, so my Dremel got to it... I cut off the lower hull just below the low waterline mark. Previously I had attached the deck in order to make the hull more sturdy. Then I trimmed and sanded the hull and glued a waterline plate beneath it.

I also started the forward superstructure, all the assembly done...

Pictures will soon follow, as soon as the putty sets and final sanding of the lower waterline mark is finished...

Well I finally got the Coontz finnished. This is the Niko kit and I really like the way it went together.













I am finnishing up the Tamiya Indy and I am starting my next "Tin Can" project in the foreground.

GTDEATH13 wrote:Progress report:
I also started the forward superstructure, all the assembly done...
Pictures will soon follow, as soon as the putty sets and final sanding of the lower waterline mark is finished...

GTDEATH, hey, man, I have a suggestion for you to consider. Like we've been talking about on the Burke DDG thread, something that has been going on lately is the NULKA launcher have been being put between the stacks on the Flight I ships. I think it would look really, really good if you were to do it on Sullivans. Even if your kit does not have the NULKA launchers in it, I think you could scratch better pieces anyway. With the scratchbuilding you have done on your Montana, it's pretty clear you have a good handle on scratching, so a platform and launchers probably would not be any issue for you!

Here are a few links to pictures showing the arrangement on the Sullivans. It seems that the arrangement is the same on all the Flight Is.
http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/ ... 1L-001.jpg
http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/ ... 6C-006.jpg
You can see it peeking out here
http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/ ... 2H-530.jpg
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=39909

Well, I chose to depict the ship as in the 2007 time frame... So no nulkas... But that platform is really interesting... I think that I have to get myself another Dragon kit...
Thanks you for the info David...

Some progress pics:







I added the gun mount form Veteran models, removed the molded anchor chains and RHIB stands... The putty you see is a fine example on why you shoud always not get excited when using your Dremel to cut something... While waterlining the hull, I did not notice that the edge of the Dremel head was touching the deck edge, scratching the plastic... But nothing serious... I think...
You will also notice the basic superstructure parts assembled... I have not added any brass to the build yet, but I hope to do so with today's progress...

Mr McKinnis the Coontz is awesome...

Mark McKinnis wrote:Well I finally got the Coontz finnished. This is the Niko kit and I really like the way it went together.

I am finnishing up the Tamiya Indy and I am starting my next "Tin Can" project in the foreground.

Mark,

I LIKE IT!! I LIKE IT!! Nicely done!

If at all possible, Mark, we'd love to see some close up pics that aren't so blurry. I know that sometimes its just not possible with some cameras.

Is that the JAG Forrest Sherman in the foreground? It almost looks as long as the Coontz and that threw me off a little.

That is a pretty good eye!

It is the Forrest Sherman from Jag. There is a perspective thing going on in that photo that makes it look as long as the Coontz but it is quite a bit shorter. I will try to get some better shots. I try to take pics outside to get good lighting and the wind and the shadows were not cooperating.

GTDEATH13 wrote:Well, I chose to depict the ship as in the 2007 time frame... So no nulkas... But that platform is really interesting... I think that I have to get myself another Dragon kit...
Thanks you for the info David...

No problem, broseph. I am glad to help.

As of 2005 she had NULKA between the stacks. If you are doing a 2007 build you might want to include them...only if you want it to be accurate. I cannot wait to see more of your build, my man!!!

EDIT: The pictures on http://www.navsource.com that are from 2005 to present look like they have NULKA between the stacks, however if you have pictures that you are certain are of the time frame, I think you hold the trump card

I decided to sand the dots that are molded on the hull flat... They are not to my liking...

Regarding the Nulka launchers, I will check my references and see.... This platform is really interesting...

Forward superstructure added to the hull, today I will add the after superstructure...

NukeMM wrote:I experimented with, and applied, WARPIGS black wash and applied a few decals. The star on the DASH deck is a different feature, for me. Fortunately I have been holding onto a decal sheet, with the right size star, from a TAMIYA 1/35 M48 Patton tank. Its been about 20 years, or so, since I made one of those.

Sam- What sort of "helicopter"?? is THAT? In thirty years of flying I have never seen such a creature as that! I see no room for a pilot in the front, is it some sort of early generation drone?

Rusty

It is called "DASH" and yes it was an early remote controlled drone developed for the USN for ASW work. You'll notice 2 torpedoes slung under it, being its only armament. We put them on A LOT of the Sumners, Gearings, and other DD/DEs during the 1960's and the massive FRAM projects to extend the lives of the WWII ships. Apparently DASH had a lot of problems that were never quite worked out and the surviving the ships had it replaced with LAMPS I Helos; SH-2 Sea Sprites. There are stories of them going "rogue" during Vietnam and screaming inland. The NVA would go nuts and try to shoot them down on occasion but most of the time they'd run out of gas and crash into the jungle. I'm not sure if the USN tried to use them for surveillance or not but that's about the only other use besides its original role given the time frame.

If you want to learn more go check out the manufacture's site; Gyrodyne Helicopters.

http://www.gyrodynehelicopters.com/