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....in addition to new bow detailing update made on the previous page ,


herewith some more small stuff.....


The ends of the main and fore main yards carried " sheer hooks"

which seem to have been hooked blades, intended to catch / cut enemy ships rigging/ sails at close quarters.

There seems to be some modern artist( and ancient! ) divided opinion if theses sheer hooks were orientated in a horizontal plane or vertical plane ....

even sometimes by the same artist! ( more first world dilemmas... (!!) )
I made my own out of small wire circles cut in half and spliced together with CA glue I decided to join the vertical disposition camp-- as it will look more interesting in photos

Mary Rose carried a grappling anchor at the bowsprit--
I made mine of wire circles ( different size this ime! ) cut in half...
glued together --the flukes were made of small bobs of white glue
--when set- flattened with pliers
The main anchors were placed, catheads made and the anchors slung--held in place with sprue ropes...

onwards to the still distant finish....

Spectacular!

As for the "ram"... Mediterranean galleys of the time had something similar, a narrow forwards extension of the fore deck. It seems to have been more of a forced-entry gangway for boarding action than a ram, as such.

Apropos the ' ram...'

it is now installed. painted and blended


............... JUST ADD WATER ...............


a small bit of refining / fiddling with the water still needed... but overall effect is I think satisfactory

Sailing ships have a far cleaner and non-foamed wake than powered ships ( no screws!! )

I studies some Ariel views of replica sailing ships of that ilk...

I chose to depict Mary Rose in a crisp Force 4 breeze... on a broad reach

-- not too windy to have to start reducing sail -

HMS Mary Rose had a much finer entry than all the vessels pictured below - and was reckoned in contemporary accounts to be a " Fine Sailer "...


herewith Endeavour-, she has a fat , almost square bluff bow--

so the effect of ' pushing ' water ahead is accentuated further... ( Cool photo eh! )
even here---with some of the sails seemingly aback (?!) she is 'pushing'--with an almost clear wake...
By contrast- The Santa Maria in a much stronger wind than I have depicted my Mary Rose sailing in;

Judging by the foam streaking...wind is Force 5-6
Santa Maria pushing a lot of water-- (with not all that much speed ! --but what a " Bone in her teeth " !!
By contrast the Mayflower-- she has finer entry -more similar to Mary Rose--but is a much smaller and far less powerful ship with a lot less sail

she is pushing less water --with a clean wake



and herewith the Mary Rose model ( note to myself-- must clear up the bench and modelroom when this project is completed !!!!!!!!!!

Yay! Well done!

Very nice, indeed

JIM BAUMANN wrote:Apropos the ' ram...'
note to myself-- must clear up the bench and modelroom when this project is completed !!!!!!!!!![/u][/i]

Jim, I think it is a common problem with us modellers and genetically determined

Top modelling you show us!

Endeavour was built as a collier, and subsequently purchased by the Navy to be a research ship. As such, she had a much bluffer bow than you would have seen on a similarly sized, purpose-built naval vessel. The larger, though compact ships (excuse the apparent oxymoron!) such as HMS Victory also had very bluff bows to provide the necessary bouyancy forward to support the weight of those 32- and 24-pdr guns on the lower decks. Bows started to become finer again once they learned the value of diagonal reinforcement in the structure of the hull and so were able to build longer ships

Ship-mounted guns were a new concept in Mary Rose's time, and there weren't many onboard, so there wasn't the need for the bluff bows.

Thank you for feedback and Endeavour info's..!

I have been pre-occupied with flags...

The artwork was prepared for me by Steve Foulkes alas I was unable to print the satisfactorily onto white decal sheet on my inkjet printer,
and chum Steve's laserprinter was unhappy with paper thickness and jammed....

Having asked around in the main forum --I was helpfully given numerous suggestions for pro decal printing.


However the laser printing onto high quality regular printer paper looked very sharp and the colours were more subdued...

so I decided to go with paper flags--I acted upon the suggestions and instruction of fellow Modelwarshiper SgtRyan13
who said:

Hey Jim,

I ran into the same issue with trying to print some intricate flags at home as well. The solution that ended up working for me quite nicely was actually very simple. I printed them on regular white paper, and then cut around the flag I wanted to use, and with magnifiers and a frest #11 blade, I was able to peel apart the different layers of the paper taking only the very top layer with the flag printed on it and folding and gluing it. They came out looking every bit as good as decals and not noticeably thicker than the decal flags in 1/350.


and this is what I ended up with

.... what I did ...

Splitting the paper to make the thin flags

the difference being that my flags were separate and not hinged at the hoist end
-I did not cut them to size until after the glueing stage, outlining afterwards with scissors

so after separating the paper layers to end up with a very very thin piece of paper indeed

I joined them back to back on a " light-box" for accuracy
After a few short hours...( !) of carefully separating paper--quite laboriously-- along with a fair rate of failures (!)

I ended up with a saucer-full of (flat ) flags.


These were first thoroughly dried on a radiator

and then the fun begins!

Crinkling flags into believable shapes is actually quite tricky--but ultimately rewarding.

I sandwich my flags between a folded sheet of paper

and then set to with a pair of pointed tweezers to crease and counter crease the paper containing the flag and this also softens the paper of the flag within

(I do the same with a water-slide decal flag-- the folded sheet of paper softens the radius of the folds and prevents them cracking)
I plan to attach them to the vessel over the weekend.

will report in thereafter!

JB

Oh bloody hell...

I've successfully printed onto tissue paper before. Simply cut a suitably sized piece and tape it onto a sheet of regular paper, and print. Of course, there is more bleed than you get on regular paper, which wasn't a problem for me at the scale I was working at (1:64 I think), but for you this would probably make it unworkable.

The method you've used sounds superior anyway

we are on the final run now.....

Having made the flags-- I had to attach them to the vessel.

The conventional ' square' flags were relatively straightforward --tack on the upper corner to the staffs with thinned white glue , back up with CA
and then add the wind-dragged halyards

the overall effect is pleasing

The large long streamers were rather more tricky...
( on the real ship--the mainmast streamer was 50 feet long!! )

We did succeed in printing some acceptable decals in the end...

but they did not take a nice ' snake '. being springy and a bit saggy

We also used a photo printer , and then de-laminated the paper off the image film, glued back to back
But they did not snake nicely--being a bit too springy and ' inorganic '
In th end I used the paper prints-- these "stood " up well

more in a moment...

the ship being mounted on a base made it very easy to manipulate...

whilst the glue holding the streamers at the desired angle took its merry time to set...(!!! )



The overall effect was pleasing to the eye....
The Bonaventure mast streamer in particular being a bit optimistic in both its attachment and structural integrity!!

( I plan to make a small temporary support for it when the model is being transported to the Telford show )

It was tempting to go mad with flags and streamers.... ( as in this image !! )

but sometimes... less probably is more!



What a sight the fleet must have been, though the risk of flag/ rigging entanglement etc must have been huge...

Marvelous work. You continue to manage to make each build better than the last, with fantastic attention to detail and clever solutions to the problems you run into along the way. Looking forward to whatever you have planned next.

Very impressive!

I have been following this build and amazed at the level of detail you have put into this very small model. When I first viewed it I thought it was a larger scale and was amazed when I saw how small it is. It is a fantastic build. I love those old Galleon style ships with the high poop deck and focs'l. The rigging is pretty impressive as well. This should garner a first place or peoples choice.
The pennants look the business alright.

War at that time still was about showing off and appearing flamboyant to impress your oponent - very nice rendering at this small scale indeed

It just doesn't get any better than this!





Jose

Phew!

after quie a bit of water fiddling, an additional crew-member or three, and various other tiny bits..-
-Mary Rose is as far as I can ascertain ( and am willing to ...!)

Completed!

Phew!

herewith a few views of her==> - proper photos with a tripod!

I have taken a number of photos and she will appear in the Gallery in near future in due course

Thank you for all the input, discussion and critique

it is all very much appreciated and was most helpful

Onwards to clearing the model room!

By the power of Greyskull...

Really impressive! Not only very nicely detailed, but also a nice diorama!