Calling all HMS Repulse & HMS Renown fans

[Andrew F]

All very interesting!

I note also that KGV had a double cable forward..... and when one looks at most external cables, whether they RN, IJN or US they seem to be much the same size and are attached by clips as per the hood. I had a look at the HMS Belfast while in London and while most of the cable is internal some was exposed. This was also consistent with the size etc of the cable seen in Hood, and in many of the Repulse photos I believe there is a hint that clips are present.......

Soooo allowing for "artist's licences" I have used the Hood set suitably modified (but was forced to use double cable forward due to the lack of single cable in the GM set). The first coat of paint (light grey) has just gone on..... and I think it looks pretty good...... as does the Plating effect achieved with layers of spray on body filler.... photos will follow on the "Works in Progress" page when painting is complete.


Andrew

[RNfanDan]

".... photos will follow on the "Works in Progress" page when painting is complete."

Andrew

Looking forward to that, Andrew!

Off topic for a moment: EJ Foeth's HMS Hood masterwork-in-progress, benefitting as it does from its creator's immense topical knowledge and diligent research efforts will, withoubt doubt, set new standards for modeling authenticity when it reaches completion.

[Sebaar]

Which company (Tamiya or Trumpeter) have better HMS Repulse in 1/700 scale?

[RNfanDan]

Impossible to state which is "better", as BOTH kits have errors, and the needs of the modeller are what determine the answer. I can say that the Tamiya kit lacks a full-hull option, whereas the Trumpeter one will give the modeller his or her rightful choice in that regard.

[Andrew F]

What colour should the "treads" on ladders be?

Andrew

[RNfanDan]

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[JCRAY]

Dan thank you for your posts! jc

[Sylvain Auger]

Dan is certainly one of the more knowledgeable people concerning Repulse. His work as helped me out big time when I was building my 1/600 model. A big thanks to you Dan for making your findings available to us

Cheers,

Sylvain

PS: I will submit pictures of my Repulse to the gallery very soon. The model has been finished for quite some time but I haven't got around to actually taking picture and posting them Shame on me!!!

[Andrew F]

Great stuff Dan,

But here's the next question:

The camouflage scheme at the start of 1941 was like this:


With the starboard deck house dark and the hangers also painted dark.

However, photos taken later in 1941 (and the final photo taken in Singapore seem to imply that the starboard deck house was repainted light to match the port side and that the hanger doors etc are light.


and:


Does anyone have any definitive knowledge on this or better resolution photos?

thanks

Andrew

[dick]

Andrew,

These modifications to the paint scheme have been noted for many years now. The pictures you show dont just imply them, they are the evidence.

Best wishes

[Andrew F]

So Dick,

Does that mean that the hanger doors etc are light grey? Do you know where the change of colour occurs?

thanks

Andrew

[RNfanDan]

Here is a photo of the ship, taken during passage to Freetown in early September as escort for convoy WS11 (sorry for the notations, this was used to note details in placing the photographer). The aft bulkhead of the starboard shelter is still very much in dark paintwork, but the outer bulkhead of course cannot be seen.

If it is dark as well, then the first opportunity for the ship to repaint would be at Freetown. As you can see, the sunlight compounds matters a bit, but I leave it to you to determine what shade the aft hangar doors (labelled) are painted; to me, they look dark like the rest of the paintwork and fittings, but they may never have been that shade in the first place and the photo may not be convincing, either way.

In any case, by December 8, her hangar doors were obviously not dark-painted, although they may even be of an intermediate shade (507B) throughout the whole camo change series. It is known that they were definitely 507B, as was the rest of the ship in the main, through the latter part of 1939 and all of 1940. I mention this only because I cannot see any reason for painting athwartships bulkheads and hangar doors in a camo pattern, when it was first applied sometime in early 1941.

This photo may, therefore, show the hangar door in 507B but as I said, the bright sunlight is playing a part. One of the neatest things about this photo, I think, is the reflection of the ship's wake on the scuttle glass!

Dan

[Andrew F]

Hi Dan,

The problem is that with such a large flat expanse the lighting can make a huge difference..... in some cases making something may look light that is dark.
The other problem is that one needs decent resolution photos so make sure that the photo is not reversed! In the later photos that the deck house appear light there are awnings over the house to further confuse the matter!
I agree that the Starboard deck house was dark at this time..... can't convince myself on the hanger doors nor can I really see why they would paint them light unless it was due to a problem with things getting too hot in the tropics??

Andrew

[Guest]

Gents,

Can anyone tell me what the white almost triangular shaped 'object' is just above deck level (and just forward of the catapult) port amidships on Repulse in the bottom photo of her that Andrew F posted above? (i.e. the image of Repulse leaving Jahore Strait 8-12-41.)

I have often wondered what that is and thought this as good a time as any to ask, especially seeing as Andrew has already posted the photo.

TIA,
Kevin

[RNfanDan]

Personally speaking, I'd recommend painting the hangar doors (and for that matter, all vertical athwartships hangar surfaces) in a 507B-ish shade. From what I've seen in available photographs, these surfaces were neither light nor dark.

[dick]

Personally speaking, and having looked at the originals of the set of photos of Repulse steaming through the convoy on its way to Singapore at the IWM, I think the hanger doors etc were painted 507c. I think the slight darkening effect Dan sees is the effect of all the horizontal lines in the doors' shutters.

I believe the triangular thing to the be the sail from one of the ships boats, perhaps out to dry.

Best wishes

[JCRAY]

Ensign 1, KGVs pg 13, upper photo shows Repulse in background, starboard deck house appears as light as the midship 507 C panel below it, also the hanger doors seem light too. Photo dated August 28 1941. HTH jc " ps": photo is also in Profile Morskie (49) POW , pg 14.

[Andrew F]

Admiralty model works would appear to have their 1:350 upgrade set available!
http://www.admiraltymodelworks.com/inde ... w.tpl.html

The deck houses would appear to be pretty correct and boats look great in to photo.
They seem to have supplied some extra ammunition boxes which is great as the 0.5 machine gun ones on the Trumpeter model are too small and the ones on the boat deck are virtually flat. However, there would appear to be only three large ready use lockers for the aft deck houses and my plans and photos would imply four. Additionally it would appear that there should be many more Carley floats in the "as sunk" version than are supplied in the kit. I might have to scratch build a few!

Andrew