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Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:49 pm
by Bill Waldorf
Hello again all :wave_1: Well, here I am again. I feel like Horiban, posting this much, god....... Anyway, I've got the ship 95% completed. All I need are 6 more 20mm guns. Then the ship itself is finished, at least as far as I am going to go. I could spend years, but there is not enough photographic reference material available to go much further. The Sangamon Class of Escort Carriers had alot more involved things goin on than other classes of these ships. I underestimated how involved the project would be. In any event, completion is at hand! Here's some photos of the arrestor gear and those comm antennas I mentioned above. These will be the last details I will do on the ship. Next will come the aircraft and the crew.
I'll start with the barrier arms. For those of you who are not familiar with carriers, a barrier arm is a series of wires that pop up to a vertical position during landings. This prevents the aircraft from crashing into things should it miss it the hook on the arrestor wires. There are 3 barriers just aft of the bridge(island). Shown in the lowerd position on the stb. side.
I'll start with the barrier arms. For those of you who are not familiar with carriers, a barrier arm is a series of wires that pop up to a vertical position during landings. This prevents the aircraft from crashing into things should it miss it the hook on the arrestor wires. There are 3 barriers just aft of the bridge(island). Shown in the lowerd position on the stb. side.
Here's another view. Arrestor gear and barrier arms are styrene. Arrestor cable is .025 waxed rigging line, and the barrier wires are .025 piano wire. Note the yielding bars, the small rectangles you see beneath the arrestor cables. These were kind of like a leaf spring that popped up and raised the arrestor wire slightly above the flightdeck, to facilitate the aircrafft grabbing the wire with its hook. Small strips of .010 styrene used here.
Here's another view. Arrestor gear and barrier arms are styrene. Arrestor cable is .025 waxed rigging line, and the barrier wires are .025 piano wire. Note the yielding bars, the small rectangles you see beneath the arrestor cables. These were kind of like a leaf spring that popped up and raised the arrestor wire slightly above the flightdeck, to facilitate the aircrafft grabbing the wire with its hook. Small strips of .010 styrene used here.
Another view of the arrestor gear. There are a total of 13 arrestor wire assemblies. A bit of weathering needed yet.
Another view of the arrestor gear. There are a total of 13 arrestor wire assemblies. A bit of weathering needed yet.
Here's a better view of the overall arrangement. Note the cable behind the aft elevator. If you look to the top right, you can see the aft comm. antenna.
Here's a better view of the overall arrangement. Note the cable behind the aft elevator. If you look to the top right, you can see the aft comm. antenna.
Note this arrestor cable. It goes right across the aft elevator opening. All the plans and reference material I have show this. Question was, what did they do with it when the elevator was in use? Detaching it from the gear would have been a time consuming task, I would think. I called one of the pilots that flew off the Santee, Don Pattie,a highly decorated man, and asked him. He told me the deckcrew would simply pull it back out of the way once the tension was released on the cable. When all aircraft were up on flightdeck level, and the elevator was no longer in use, then the cable would be pulled back to it's original position. By the way, Mr.Pattie is 85...
Note this arrestor cable. It goes right across the aft elevator opening. All the plans and reference material I have show this. Question was, what did they do with it when the elevator was in use? Detaching it from the gear would have been a time consuming task, I would think. I called one of the pilots that flew off the Santee, Don Pattie,a highly decorated man, and asked him. He told me the deckcrew would simply pull it back out of the way once the tension was released on the cable. When all aircraft were up on flightdeck level, and the elevator was no longer in use, then the cable would be pulled back to it's original position. By the way, Mr.Pattie is 85...
Hmmmm....deck crew pulling the cable.......OK, how's this??
Hmmmm....deck crew pulling the cable.......OK, how's this??
Looking from behind. I plan about 50 figures or so. Don't want it too busy. The real aspect of this project is the ship, not the other stuff. Just icing on the cake if you will......
Looking from behind. I plan about 50 figures or so. Don't want it too busy. The real aspect of this project is the ship, not the other stuff. Just icing on the cake if you will......
Here's the fwd comm. antenna. Made from styrene tubing and rod. This is how I see it as compared to the photo I asked questions about above. Wires are very fine stretched sprue. Resistors are a dab of elmers glue and black paint. Note arrestor gear and barrier arm arrangement in the backround.
Here's the fwd comm. antenna. Made from styrene tubing and rod. This is how I see it as compared to the photo I asked questions about above. Wires are very fine stretched sprue. Resistors are a dab of elmers glue and black paint. Note arrestor gear and barrier arm arrangement in the backround.
Well, there you go......By the way, I was just kidding about the Admiral(Horiban). Where has he been?? He is a great modeler.I rather miss argueing with him :heh: On to the aircraft and crew!! Stay tuned ......More to come..... :wave_1: :thumbs_up_1: :woo_hoo:

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:38 am
by Dave Wooley
Hi Bill Very effective use of figures, makes for a more realistic model.{ I have 50 or so figures for Kiev , more like dots than deck crew} Re- the arrester wire across the elevator , some times it's the simple procedures that are not that obvious. As usual a tremendous job . :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
Dave Wooley

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:37 am
by ARH
Bill , Im still here, look at page 37 in the Moffett build. :wave_1: :wave_1:

The build is looking fantastic, still got my eye on you, :big_grin:

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:07 am
by johndon
Fantastic work as always Bill.

John

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:15 pm
by Dave Wooley
Bill I have a question "will you been spraying your completed Santee with a clear matt varnish "
Or do you leave well alone?
Dave Wooley

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:38 pm
by Bill Waldorf
Dave Wooley wrote:Bill I have a question "will you been spraying your completed Santee with a clear matt varnish "
Or do you leave well alone?
Dave Wooley
Hey dave, yes, I use a clear Matte Laquer, Testors Dullcote works the best I have found. I usually do the subassemblies with this as I go along.HTH. :wave_1:

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:36 pm
by Kiwimedic
Bill
A very nice build indeed.
Do we tell Jim Bauman to move over?


I have a soft spot for WW2 Escort carriers.
My old man was on the
Atheling.

Regards
Philip

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:20 pm
by Dave Wooley
Bill Waldorf wrote:
Dave Wooley wrote:Bill I have a question "will you been spraying your completed Santee with a clear matt varnish "
Or do you leave well alone?
Dave Wooley
Hey dave, yes, I use a clear Matte Laquer, Testors Dullcote works the best I have found. I usually do the subassemblies with this as I go along.HTH. :wave_1:
Hi Bill Thanks for that. In the past I have used Humbrol clear matt varnish spray but I have noticed that it can slightly alter the shade of the finish so I stoped using it. Do you have this problem with Dullcote ?
Dave Wooley

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:43 pm
by Bill Waldorf
Hi Bill Thanks for that. In the past I have used Humbrol clear matt varnish spray but I have noticed that it can slightly alter the shade of the finish so I stoped using it. Do you have this problem with Dullcote ?
Dave Wooley
No, never. Try heating the can for a few minutes in hot water. Like a bowl with hot water in it. Fill bowl to top of spray can. Don't submerge the spray tip. This work well for dullcoat. I feel the dullcoat actually "brightens" things a bit. I guess thats the right word. Try it.......HTH.

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:44 pm
by Bill Waldorf
As I stated up above, the ship is now pretty much completed. I am awaiting 6 more 20mm guns for the port side. Sure are slow in getting here. Anyway, I tried to get a couple of overall shots of the ship. And I am working ever so tediously on the aircraft. Crew last. So heres some shots of the ship, still in the shop and I plan to move it soon which will be a tricky task at best. Ever paint yourself into a room?? :big_grin: Some shots of the SBD Dauntless dive bombers, too. Take a look......
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TBM Avengers are next....torpedo bombers, the the F4F Wildcat fighters..........Stay tuned......More to come.... :wave_1:

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:53 am
by Cadman
Awesome work Bill. This one sure didn't take long to complete. :thumbs_up_1:

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:13 am
by Dave Wooley
My Congratulations on a magnificent model in every department . You sir are a master craftsman .
Dave Wooley :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:27 pm
by J. Soca
Now that is a beauty Bill :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


Jose

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:59 pm
by flyund95
Truly impressive work. Great job!

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:21 pm
by Mike Glasgow
Some of us are good builders, some of us are good at painting and finishing, some of us are good detailers but seriously Bill, you have it all. The excellent colors fit the scale perfectly and the nice detail, wow.

Mike Glasgow

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:51 pm
by JIM BAUMANN
Its really pulling together now!

Top stuff
JIM B :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:32 pm
by Bill Waldorf
Hello again. Thought you may like to see some shots of the flightdeck as things progress along. I have finished the TBF torpedo bombers, and have added them to the squadron. I have also started to add figures. Modified model RR items. I will build the F4F wildcats next. I have alot more figures to add,in and around the gun tubs, more on the flightdeck and other areas around the ship. Plus a deck tractor and some ordinance trolleys Take a look...............
Here's one of the SBD dive bombers. All the aircraft are resin kits from JR Haynes from the UK. There are 9 -10 pieces in the kits and consist of some cast metal parts such as the props, landing gear and the cowling. It also comes with the national insignia. I added the radio antenna, pitot tube, and some bombs and bomb racks under the wings. I have also drilled out the dive flaps.
Here's one of the SBD dive bombers. All the aircraft are resin kits from JR Haynes from the UK. There are 9 -10 pieces in the kits and consist of some cast metal parts such as the props, landing gear and the cowling. It also comes with the national insignia. I added the radio antenna, pitot tube, and some bombs and bomb racks under the wings. I have also drilled out the dive flaps.
A view looking fwd. from portside. The figures add another dimension to the model, I feel.
A view looking fwd. from portside. The figures add another dimension to the model, I feel.
One of the torpedo bombers, TBF Avengers. Again, I added a few small details to the planes.
One of the torpedo bombers, TBF Avengers. Again, I added a few small details to the planes.
An overhead view of the TBF. I made the black squadron codes with some inkjet decal paper, my PC and printer.
An overhead view of the TBF. I made the black squadron codes with some inkjet decal paper, my PC and printer.
Portside looking aft. The only real drawback of the aircraft is the lack of clear canopys and cockpits. Had I had the time I would have tried to remedy this. It can be done, but it would be lot's of work!
Portside looking aft. The only real drawback of the aircraft is the lack of clear canopys and cockpits. Had I had the time I would have tried to remedy this. It can be done, but it would be lot's of work!
Starboard side looking aft. Once I add a few more items, this should really come to life, I hope!
Starboard side looking aft. Once I add a few more items, this should really come to life, I hope!
A few more planes to build and some figures and other details and I should be there! I leave for Norfolk with the ship Aug. 4th. Wish me luck........More to come ...Stay tuned............... :wave_1: :thumbs_up_1: :woo_hoo: :woo_hoo:

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:40 am
by Dave Wooley
Hi Bill Your use of deck crew figures is simply magic bringing the model to life. :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
Dave Wooley

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:30 am
by Bill Waldorf
Dave Wooley wrote:Hi Bill Your use of deck crew figures is simply magic bringing the model to life. :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
Dave Wooley
Thanks Dave :wave_1: I hope things do not appear "toylike". That was not my intent. It is coming together!

Re: Scratchbuilding the USS Santee (CVE-29) in 1/96

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:39 am
by Dave Wooley
Bill Waldorf wrote:
Dave Wooley wrote:Hi Bill Your use of deck crew figures is simply magic bringing the model to life. :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
Dave Wooley
Thanks Dave :wave_1: I hope things do not appear "toylike". That was not my intent. It is coming together!
Far from it . As mentioned I also intend to make use of deck crew , Where did you source your complement from ?
Dave Wooley :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
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