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Dave Wooley wrote:Hi Norberto this could be directed to Mick with his Kuztetzov . These are more unearthed photos of Ted Parr's 20 plus year old Nimitz . The deck is divided into three sections , only the centre section needed to be removed when the model was being sailed. Even though the model is only 1:144 the deck is a large expanse of timber The fore and after sections are firmly secured down but if required could also be lifed clear of the hull.

Dave Wooley

Thanks Dave and everyone for your input. This is a good idea except my deck is close to 1 meter wide. Could be a handful when at the waters edge. I think I will follow Craigs (TF72 - USS Enterprise) idea with his deck attached to the hull completely and open hatches as I need them. Yes this will mean cuts in the deck but hope to minimize the cuts where possible if you can on such a large deck.
Not sure if open to the public but here is his build - http://www.taskforce72.org/phpbb/viewto ... ?f=12&t=13
Love how he works with big tools.

And yes that is a chainsaw he uses on his model!!!

are you REALLY sure you REALLY want to float this beautiful model....???

with all the potential pain and compromise of cutlines in the deck....?

arghhh the pain.....


I guess-- and here is a thought-- you could make the access directly along some of the for and aft flight deck markings...

and then the across alongside some some of the white lines

at least that way you would minimise the jarring unharmonious lines across stripes an things...

I am thinking of your future medal at Telford.... ...

JB

Hi Jim I had to think through the access into Kiev from the beginning using the principle you outlined ,with the split along the white line it really is difficult to detect now the model is "almost" completed .


Dave Wooley

Dave if you gonna use smoke.
Get a large smoke generator, since russian engines create alot

mitchell300 wrote:Dave if you gonna use smoke.
Get a large smoke generator, since russian engines create alot

NOoooooooooo I'll stick with a smokeless eco friendly model

Dave Wooley

A less smoky Minsk but look who's come to take a peek

Dave Wooley

ozpirate wrote:

Dave Wooley wrote:Hi Norberto this could be directed to Mick with his Kuztetzov . These are more unearthed photos of Ted Parr's 20 plus year old Nimitz . The deck is divided into three sections , only the centre section needed to be removed when the model was being sailed. Even though the model is only 1:144 the deck is a large expanse of timber The fore and after sections are firmly secured down but if required could also be lifed clear of the hull.

Dave Wooley

Thanks Dave and everyone for your input. This is a good idea except my deck is close to 1 meter wide. Could be a handful when at the waters edge. I think I will follow Craigs (TF72 - USS Enterprise) idea with his deck attached to the hull completely and open hatches as I need them. Yes this will mean cuts in the deck but hope to minimize the cuts where possible if you can on such a large deck.
Not sure if open to the public but here is his build - http://www.taskforce72.org/phpbb/viewto ... ?f=12&t=13
Love how he works with big tools.

And yes that is a chainsaw he uses on his model!!!

OMG
Dave Wooley

This is what i find scary Dave

WIRES OF THE ELECTRICAL TYPE

i am really going to have to pick your brains at Telford, as i,m about to jump in at the deep end with both feet.

roy

roy allen wrote:This is what i find scary Dave

WIRES OF THE ELECTRICAL TYPE

i am really going to have to pick your brains at Telford, as i,m about to jump in at the deep end with both feet.

roy

Roy Only to glad to be of help
Dave Wooley

Hi Howie aka "HAB" on MW. I know that in the comfort of hospital with all those lovely nurses to distract you sorry look after you , you have access to the Internet and have your daily read of MW.com so old friend get well soon
Dave Wooley

Dave Wooley wrote:Hi Howie aka "HAB" on MW. I know that in the comfort of hospital with all those lovely nurses to distract you sorry look after you , you have access to the Internet and have your daily read of MW.com so old friend get well soon
Dave Wooley

Hi Howie, Get well soon, and stop chasing the nurse,s,

Slowly adding to the deck scene scenario .



More deck vehicles to add plus a number of minor fitting to attach around the superstructure and the cranes to rig .It's getting there .I've ordered the dust case which for Kiev is a bit on the large side.
Dave Wooley nearly there

If this were on Facebook, I'd 'like' this one!!!!
There's so much detail at such a large scale



Nick

Hi Dave,
you won't be needing my advice on painting figures at telford after all.

The only thing i would not do is place the figures onto blue tack when painting.

Try this instead, take and old round handle from say a file or something similar and attach a small bar of 3x3 or 3x6 styrene across the top to form a "T" SHAPE, the figures are then attached to the bar with a tiny drop of CA.
It is then very easy to twist the handle in your hand, it makes painting easy and effortless.


Roy

roy allen wrote:Hi Dave,
you won't be needing my advice on painting figures at telford after all.

The only thing i would not do is place the figures onto blue tack when painting.

Try this instead, take and old round handle from say a file or something similar and attach a small bar of 3x3 or 3x6 styrene across the top to form a "T" SHAPE, the figures are then attached to the bar with a tiny drop of CA.
It is then very easy to twist the handle in your hand, it makes painting easy and effortless.


Roy

Thanks Roy should have done it that way in the first place but you live and learn, yet I adopted the T bar for painting the canopies of the Forger's .
Dave Wooley

your figures came out exellent ,they certainly adds realism to the deck.seeing you are putting on the final touchs ,have you came to an area and said holy @#!**()% how did i miss that. it happens to me more often then i like to admit.

russclark wrote:your figures came out exellent ,they certainly adds realism to the deck.seeing you are putting on the final touchs ,have you came to an area and said holy @#!**()% how did i miss that. it happens to me more often then i like to admit.

Hi Russ "ALL THE TIME" and the air is constantly a lighter shade of blue. I have left off, not quite omitted but left till last all the fire fighting rising mains, hose cabinets and no less than 10 foam monitors which are dispersed around the ship. These are complicated "little beggars� and the lighter shade of blue went up to dark blue. Yes scratch building is not a Linear activity but as you know the build can progress even though it functions at various levels a bit like three dimensional chess . I know that I will forget to include a particular fitting and as it will be �out of sequence� to install the thing which will drive me to distraction but that�s scratch building.
Dave Wooley

Of all the fittings I�ve made, these foam monitors surprisingly has proved to be not just tricky but difficult to judge in scale . Having said that a start had to be made . The materials of choice are aluminum tube for the barrel ,various sizes of styrene rod for the piping, fine brass wire for the hand grips and PE hand wheels for the valves wheels .

The tube for the monitor was cut to size { this is the core of the problem the interpretation of scale It looks a large bore but that how it looks in the photos as there are no drawings to verify so it is down to interpretation . } The input end of the tube is tapered . To achieve this in the simplest way possible a circular disc was punched out and place on one open end .


Each and every part was cut to size{ scale interpretation} and the taper was reproduced using the simple expedient of fillers , when set just sanded down.

What was unknown to me was that the foam monitor could be fitted in many locations around the ship from the assembly area to dispersal , to weapons . So I multiplied the number to be made . First each of the seats for the base piping was added .

Now the single connecting pipe to the monitor

The remainder of the assembly which included the last of the piping to the barrel was added . Also in the picture are the making up of the hydrant valves and just some of the fire fighting equipment cabinets

Hydrant valve assemblies

All the foam monitors have a set of two valves at the base of each arm of the piping . A simple system was used to keep the assembly fixed at an angle so each of the valve wheels could be fitted.

Here is an unpainted foam monitor with one of the rising main valves .

Painting underway for each of the monitors


After painting was completed , It dawned on me that the two feed valves for the operator to open was back to front. Oh the air was blue , bright royal blue. I set to work correcting this �little� error N0 stupid mistake .
Corrections made and the two forward monitors fitted .

Scale assessment, handy if you have . a crew man to oblige.

Dave Wooley getting there , more to come

Hi Dave each time that I see the advance in your model I am always surprise. they are small parts and ver well executed and thought well. you are in a part of the work of the model that is more pleasure each placed part. plus a great wonderful model come from you. my congratulations

Capit�o Norbert wrote:Hi Dave each time that I see the advance in your model I am always surprise. they are small parts and ver well executed and thought well. you are in a part of the work of the model that is more pleasure each placed part. plus a great wonderful model come from you. my congratulations

Hi Norbert Thank you . Yes as the saying goes the "devil is in the detail" It is in the operational details where the information is at its weakest. I mean the time period when the ship was part of the Soviet navy. It has been very difficult trying to find good pictures of the deck house mounted cabinets . Even on the preserved Minsk these red coated cabinets where removed so I can only "estimate" the shape and size from fly by shots? Other examples yet to be made are 3 RAS point { refueling At Sea} on the outboard side of the supperstructure . On the preserved Minsk these are very clear but alas different to those fitted to Kiev in the early 1980s . This is where it all gets so frustrating . Although I think it's difficult how Jim Baumann manages given the time period he builds models in , is beyond me.
Dave Wooley