Calling all HMS Repulse & HMS Renown fans

[dick]

Alan,

That's terribly kind of you. Yes, address as before. Thank you very much.

I see you are thinking of coming over here later this year. If you do I hope some gathering can be arranged (in Kew/London). I'd like to buy you a drink!

Best wishes.

[mcguire23]

hi guys

I am new to this forum and this is my first post while looking for photos of hms hood i came across this website it has some great short video's of british warships and i came across theses one's

I no they are not model related but thought you guys would like to see them

just a few of hms repluse & renown enjoy

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=79659

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=13138

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=5645

regards

ian

[Rob Jansen]

Hi, everyone,

I hope you don�t mind me starting some discussions on a few more items I�m �ignorant� about concerning my 41' Renown build.

Were there any AA radars on Renown in summer 1941 (prior to refit)?

There are references to torpedo tubes; are these internal and fwd of X turret like on the Hood?

In the pictures section of Peter Smith�s book HMS Renown there is a picture of a Fairey Fulmer flying over the ship and the decks definitely look painted over (there is no AA on B turret so likely 41�), some pictures I�ve seen from the same period seem to suggest that the deck was painted dark gray back to the breakwater in front of turret A and the after deck around turret X, but being a lighter, possibly natural wood color in between. Was this ever a Royal Navy practice? Or am I just seeing shades of gray? Also is the deck color 507A?

Lastly; these are the changes I�ve either made or am planning to �backdate� Trumpeters 42� kit to 41�:
� Removed/plugged all 20mm platforms and tubs.
� Corrected structure aft of rear director mount to square vs. round.
� Scratched a smaller deck house aft of the superstructure (in work actually).
� Cut down the 273 radar to make it look like a 271.
Any other things I�ve missed?

[corpsman]

Gents,

Two questions:
1. Which is the "best/better/accurate" 700 scale kit, Tamiya or Trumpeter?
2. What were her colors from 1940 - May 1941?

Thanks!!

Gus
Semper Fi

[Luca Bevilacquaback]

Hy all.
I had a 4 years period with family problems so tough that made me impossible to do any modelling at all.

Now I am trying to come back to it, albeit with much less free time than I had before.
Obviously I need all the help I can get to cut beck on research time.

I tried to select a project that would be feasible with my somewhat rusted skills, would help reduce the unfinished/unbuilt stack of kits/PE I have and yet thrill me with something new to increase motivation and stamina.

I selected building as many 1:350 RN capital ships as possible all depicted in May 1941 (Bismarck chase days).
Hood is ultra well covered thanks to Frank Allen no question asked then (at least not yet).

To this thread the relevant questions I�d like to begin with are:
1) Repulse may 1941: I may easily get Trumpeter kit + a PE fret to choose (Eduard, GMM, WEM which one ?) + Admiralty modelworks resin upgrade kit, following a corrected OOB build would the be enough ?
2) Renown may 1941: what would be involved in modifying the Repulse kit to model a 1941 Renown ? I do not suppose there is any resin conversion kit yet, I seem to remember a different, somewhat, KGV style bridge, am I correct ?

Please forgive the rusted memory.
I am glad to be back

[cerberusjf]

Hello gentlemen .I recently bought the trumpy repulse 1/350 and trying to come up with a version that needs the least amount of work to depict correctly.I have however one question regarding the kit no mmater the version : the forward 1st level deck area behind the second main gun tower shows in the instructions as painted basically as been wooden deck area.But in the kit the area does not have any wood planking molded as the rest of the deck but is plain as been steel covered.I am a bit confused here.Is it steel but painted same as rest of wooden deck or trumpy didnt bother representing the deck planks in that area altogether.For what is worth i think in the 1/700 Tamiya kit the same area is represented as been wood planks.

I am wondering about this deck too. I recently watched a dvd that had a fly-over of RENOWN ~~(1933-36 fit) and this deck looked a similar shade (dark grey) to the deck above and very dissimilar to the light grey of the wooden deck below. Does anyone know if and when this deck was planked on REPULSE?
Thanks in advance.

[DanCinSD]

OK, I just purchased the Trumpeter HMS Renown 1942 kit (1/700). I know nothing of the kit or details of the Royal Navy's ships.
After reading the 10 pages on this topic, I know a little more.......... BUT,

1. is the kit generally accurate (to include the painting diagram) for the ship in 1942?
2. is there a p/e set for her?

I would like to build out of the box plus p/e as much as possible...

[dick]

Hello RNfanDan!

Your suggestion (March 21) that Renown was in a two tone scheme in the Med intrigued me and I did a bit of digging. There are a number of pictures of her taken at the same sort of time that tell a slightly different story.
Here are a couple.

I think the effect in your picture may be down to the way the sunlight plays on the varying angles of the hull sides/superstructure/turret sides.

Best wishes.

[dick]

Hello DanCinSD!

I bought the kit in the Pit Road box. Re the painting guide, if its the same as the Trumpeter one then no it is not quite right. I have looked at a number of photos of her in this scheme and the pattern on the sides of hull, superstructure, and turrets is different in many details. Also the decks were painted and patterned not bare wood.

The problem though is deciding quite what colour was where in these patterns. Every picture (and piece of artwork in reference books and on-line) seems to tell a different story. I do not believe that there were those dashes of white on the starboard side but deciding where was MS3 is more problematic!

I think you have to decide for yourself.

Best wishes.

[RNfanDan]

Hello RNfanDan!

I think the effect in your picture may be down to the way the sunlight plays on the varying angles of the hull sides/superstructure/turret sides.

Best wishes.

Hi, Dick!

I don't believe the camera is lying to us re: the two-tone scheme. I have another, proprietary photo I cannot post, showing the light/dark scheme, albeit from another angle and distance. I think you are likely correct that Renown did not wear this scheme in her Med days, but it seems my posted photo may NOT date from 1941 but instead, from 1940 and I apologize for that misinformation.

IIRC, this error doesn't seem to affect any questions of her pole mainmast, radars, light AA fit, etc., for modeling purposes. I think one can still paint the ship in a two-tone scheme 507c/507b, with the understanding it would be accurate only for a time prior to her Force H/Mediterranean service period, most likely during her 1940 Home Fleet days.

Thank you very much for your "digging" efforts, and for posting your photos (I had not seen them before)!

[Roger Torgeson]

Does anyone know the color of the inside of Repulse�s aircraft hangers? My first inclination is to go with an off white but thought I better ask first. I�m just starting the Trumpeter kit and want to open one hanger door.

[apfelzra]

Here is a question perhaps most suited to RNfanDan or John at White Ensign Models,

I am nearing completion on my 1:350 Trumpy HMS Repulse; she's a beautiful model, and I have tried to portray her as accurately (December 1941) as the kit and my WEM photoetch set will permit. I have one question, though about the little brass name plates included with WEM's set -- where exactly should these be attached? WEM's instructions omit them completely, and I haven't been able to find any high-enough resolution photos online to show their location.
Thanks for your help.

[MartinJQuinn]

Here is a question perhaps most suited to RNfanDan or John at White Ensign Models,

I am nearing completion on my 1:350 Trumpy HMS Repulse; she's a beautiful model, and I have tried to portray her as accurately (December 1941) as the kit and my WEM photoetch set will permit. I have one question, though about the little brass name plates included with WEM's set -- where exactly should these be attached? WEM's instructions omit them completely, and I haven't been able to find any high-enough resolution photos online to show their location.
Thanks for your help.

The attached drawing, while of an earlier version, gives you the approximate location: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rawing.png

It can also be made out here, just underneath the awning (click on the photo to enlarge).

[apfelzra]

Thanks for the images, Martin. Would these name plates be the same dark gray in the Repulse's final camouflage scheme, or otherwise highlighted with a different color?

[MartinJQuinn]

Thanks for the images, Martin. Would these name plates be the same dark gray in the Repulse's final camouflage scheme, or otherwise highlighted with a different color?

Pre-War, I think they were brass. During the war, I would suspect that the would be painted the same color as the surrounding hull.

[Andrew F]

Hi,

Here's where I put it based on the available photos. The plate was painted the same colour as the side then lightly scraped so that the letters were revealed.



Andrew

[Andrew F]

Interesting to see that Lion Roar have just put out a super detail kit for the Trumpeter Repulse in 1:350.
Shame that they seem to have based it on the Kagero 3D book as there are multiple errors. They also have perpetuated the very odd errors at the rear of the bridge that appear on the Trumpeter model....... Such a shame to go to all that effort and get it wrong.

should be:

With a single ladder on the port side.Or on the other side with internal ladders and a deck house underneath:


deck house should be more square.... not angled as in the Kagero version

The shape of both deck houses can be seen here.... a correct replacement for the model version is available from Admiralty modelworks although this one was scratch built.

Though there are some beautiful additions to the turret rangefinders etc. But they do not appear to have included the degaussing coil. Note the armoured step at the rear of the model... also not present in the real thing and the last photo of her leaving Singapore does not show tubs around the Oerlikons on Y turret.

Andrew

[apfelzra]

This question is a follow-up to Andrew F.'s recent post about the errors in the new Lionroar photoetch upgrade set for the 1:350 Repulse kit. When you stated that there should be only one tall ladder on the port side of the bridge, is this the one that is in approximately the same position as that on the starboard side, or should the (second) angled ladder on the port side, close to the forward funnel, be the correct one to keep?

Two further minor secondary armament questions. The Trumpeter kit has two pairs of small guns, roughly resembling the old 12-pounders used prior to World War I, on the conning tower deck on either side of the bridge. What caliber were these, and were they still present at the time of her assignment to Force Z in 1941? And lastly, the Trumpeter kit shows a single Oerlikon mounted between and slightly forward of the searchlights on the mainmast platform. Was this single 20 mm gun actually there in 1941? I know that several other Oerlikon mounts provided by Trumpeter, such as those on either side just aft of the catapult and on the fantail, are spurious. Thanks for your help.

[RNfanDan]

The correct position of the one and only tall ladderway on the port side is indicated, below. The ladderway that should not be there is marked with the red X:

There was NO single 20mm on any mainmast platform aft, when the ship went down. Only two quad Vickers mg's were mounted, these being on the 4" director platform wings (one each side).

The 20mm weapons on Y turret roof were not in "tubs", but there were semicircular "bleachers" surrounding their bases. These resembled an inverted "wedding cake frame", for lack of a better descriptor, providing footing for the gunners at both high and low angles of aim, and give gunners consistent and level horizontal bearing. While not discernable in the photo, there were likely "stops" built into the mountings, to prevent the gunners from firing both into the ship, and each other! You can just see these fittings at the bases of the Y-turret AA mountings, to wit:

Dan

[apfelzra]

Thanks for your help, Dan. Now I need to remove those ugly little tubs atop the rear turret without mauling the turret roof. Any word on my other question, about those 4 little guns on either side of the bridge on the conning tower deck?