IJN sub attacks off the US coast

[Lesforan]

Yes, Werner.

The question is why? Would this be covered up merely to avoid a panic, or because its exposure would show a failure to defend US airspace?

Or, most likely in my opinion, it was necessary for political reasons not to stir up hard feelings toward the Japanese at the critical point in history where US-Japanese co-operation was needed to counter Communist inroads in east Asia.

[Tiornu]

The air raid on Oregon was not covered up. It was so obscure, it didn't need any covering up. One set of bombs merely left a scorched mark on the ground, and the other apprently didn't leave even that. The balloon bombs were covered up initially to avoid hysteria until the famous incident in which picnicking children were killed. That prompted a nationwide warning.

[Werner]

The submarine which shelled a Long Beach oil depot should be recognized as an employee dispute, which it was.

The Japanese skipper had been employed there before the war, and was to his mind treated shabbily. When he had an opportunity, he stood into San Pedro Bay and fired a few rounds at the depot.

Strictly speaking, this too was not a US Naval operation.

[Guest]

The submarine which shelled a Long Beach oil depot should be recognized as an employee dispute, which it was.

The Japanese skipper had been employed there before the war, and was to his mind treated shabbily. When he had an opportunity, he stood into San Pedro Bay and fired a few rounds at the depot.

Strictly speaking, this too was not a US Naval operation.

It is not a US Naval Operation. It is a failure of US Naval Operation. To not cover a failure in naval operation betrays a bias in the coverage.

Incidentally Battle of Gettysburg should also be recognized as a employee dispute, since sheer probability strongly argues that many of those who fought under the Confederate colors would have been former Federal employees who were not happy with their treatment.

[Werner]

Incidentally Battle of Gettysburg should also be recognized as a employee dispute, since sheer probability strongly argues that many of those who fought under the Confederate colors would have been former Federal employees who were not happy with their treatment.

I seriously doubt many of the 71,000 Confedererate troops were former Federal troops. As you know, the vast number of units on each side were what we would call today the National Guard. They were units which were raised by the states and seconded to their respective governments. Before the war the number of "Federals" was very small ... perhaps 10,000 at the most, mostly officers.

[Werner]

It is not a US Naval Operation. It is a failure of US Naval Operation. To not cover a failure in naval operation betrays a bias in the coverage.

Incidentally, Morrison did cover this incident.

[Guest]

Before the war the number of "Federals" was very small ... perhaps 10,000 at the most, mostly officers.

Such as Robert Lee, JEB Stuard, etc, etc

[Werner]

Before the war the number of "Federals" was very small ... perhaps 10,000 at the most, mostly officers.

Such as Robert Lee, JEB Stuard, etc, etc.

The point was, the Japanese sub skipper had a personal score to settle with Unoco; his attack on Long Beach was not an implementation of Japanese national policy, per se, but a private operation on the order of Kelly's Heroes.

P.S., it's J.E.B. Stuart., just like J.O.E. Vandeleur

[kennylibben]

In chucks defense,

everyone called him Jeb...even Lee.... and the fact that he spelled it JEB Stuart(d) implies that he meant abbreviations.

[chuck]

You realize the novelty is not that she's a bimbo but that she supports Bush instead of some liberal, like the other stupid bimbos.

Indeed, everyone knew the reservoir of foolishness in bimboland was deep, but who could have expected it to reach into such unfathomable abyss as this?

[Walt]

In chucks defense,

everyone called him Jeb...even Lee.... and the fact that he spelled it JEB Stuart(d) implies that he meant abbreviations.

Not to get so far off topic ( like 80 years).. But I'll wager 1/2 oz of my hard to find Gunze fine liquid putty that RE Lee called Gen Stuart a fell very choice names after JEB dropped the ball at Gettysburg

[Guest]

In chucks defense,

everyone called him Jeb...even Lee.... and the fact that he spelled it JEB Stuart(d) implies that he meant abbreviations.

Not to get so far off topic ( like 80 years).. But I'll wager 1/2 oz of my hard to find Gunze fine liquid putty that RE Lee called Gen Stuart a fell very choice names after JEB dropped the ball at Gettysburg

History records that Lee came as close to loosing his temper in public as he ever did when JEB Stuart informed him that, rather than reporting Union activities, he had been taking advantage of a conveniently placed Union shoe factory to give his men new footwear. Lee raised his hand almost as if to strike Stuart, but then calmed himself.

But the overall merits of Stuart is such that he could survive a single show of disastrously misplaced initiative.