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Hi Dave, great to see your work in more detail. I've asked you before why making this so difficult for yourself by not leaving the hangar doors closed. But I agree, the more you can see on the inside of a model, the less it becomes just a hollow hull. It makes it very rewarding looking at it later and discovering all the little details. I love models that are having WT doors open and you can look inside, I hate models with fake glass on their bridges Are you making the sliding doors functional as well? Would love to see that

SMART-L wrote:Hi Dave, great to see your work in more detail. I've asked you before why making this so difficult for yourself by not leaving the hangar doors closed. But I agree, the more you can see on the inside of a model, the less it becomes just a hollow hull. It makes it very rewarding looking at it later and discovering all the little details. I love models that are having WT doors open and you can look inside, I hate models with fake glass on their bridges Are you making the sliding doors functional as well? Would love to see that

Hi Pim The hanger doors will be folded up to the top of the opening .Although as I have mentioned there are limits to how much detail is possible but I will try to show as much as is possible with out going completely mad in the process.
Dave Wooley

Ok, time for an up date .
The next step involved the marking out of the interior bulkhead walls for the verticle and horizontal framing . This was carefully done followed by the fitting of strips of styrene section . As mentioned the hanger space can be orientated to suit to work that needed to be undertaken .It was important that only the lower sections where fitted at this stage .All will become clear shortly

WT doors where added as per the photo .The difficulty encountered from day one of this build, I have no drawings, I�ll try to sketch up where I can the rest is guesstimation using the pictures.

I like to reassure myself that at every stage of the build what has been completed would not impinge on the next stage but will lead to a logical continuation . Back into place with the hanger .

It still fits

The next task was measure ,mark and cut the shape of the walkway which is located half way up the bulkhead walls and around the sides. The pictures show the walkway is not equal width all of the way around but changes shape on the two side bulkhead walls. Also provision had to be made for the two openings into which access ladders will fit . At this early stage the walkway like the hanger was not fixed into place.

Once again the hanger space was removed and the walkway neatly slotted back into place. The one advantage here is that the lower vertical strips act as a support for the walkway .

Next stage making the walkway rails , to be continued ���
Dave Wooley

Looks great

BOY OH BOY its good to see you have a build back on here dave as i felt a bit in the doldrums when your KEIV build finished an no offence meant to all the other moddellers with fine build threads on here. Very very nice work an i can relate to the section's you are building on a T45 as a couple of freinds an myself went on a visit to see HMS DAUNTLESS when she came to yarmouth an i spent quite a fair time lookin around the hanger an the ribboats section's an i really enjoyed the visit as we dont often see R/N ships in this part of the country an i must admit i am not a great lover of the looks of a T45 but i suppoce its the shape of things to come so it will proberly grow on me
chris

ARH wrote:

Hi Ron This is like a ship in a bottle but with no rigging to pull the masts upright .
Dave Wooley

Sorry to write - it doesn't matter how many times I see these scratch dioramas come together, I still can't get mt head round it, I can just about cut a straight line, and looking at the hanger bay even at this early stage, it looks great. We came down to Portsmouth oh about 2/3 years ago and was lucky enough to see this destroyer in port, got some photo's somewhere.
Was there any plans for lighting up the interior ?

Sleepwalker wrote:Looks great

Hi Sleepwalker thanks for taking interest.
Dave Wooley

aleccap wrote:Sorry to write - it doesn't matter how many times I see these scratch dioramas come together, I still can't get mt head round it, I can just about cut a straight line, and looking at the hanger bay even at this early stage, it looks great. We came down to Portsmouth oh about 2/3 years ago and was lucky enough to see this destroyer in port, got some photo's somewhere.
Was there any plans for lighting up the interior ?

Hi Alec I must confess I was not going to add any lighting but thanks to Bill Waldorf , he has persuaded me that it would be a good idea .So next week at the Model Boat Convention I'll pick up plenty of LEDs to do just that. Whilst I've seen some superb efforts along these lines I have never been convinced .It's either looks slightly over the top or ineffective .BUT I'll give it a try as to have such a space in darkness would be , to say the least odd. I'm not a fan of lighting as there are often too many compromises to make that can alter the effect of the model and the wiring looms can stretch for miles even in a model. My interest is in "trying� to achieve as much as is possible on the model in an effort to reflect the real thing and lighting like camouflage and weathering is a touch artistic for my senses but in this instance I�ll give it my best shot!!!
Dave Wooley

Guest wrote:BOY OH BOY its good to see you have a build back on here dave as i felt a bit in the doldrums when your KEIV build finished an no offence meant to all the other moddellers with fine build threads on here. Very very nice work an i can relate to the section's you are building on a T45 as a couple of freinds an myself went on a visit to see HMS DAUNTLESS when she came to yarmouth an i spent quite a fair time lookin around the hanger an the ribboats section's an i really enjoyed the visit as we dont often see R/N ships in this part of the country an i must admit i am not a great lover of the looks of a T45 but i suppoce its the shape of things to come so it will proberly grow on me
chris

Hi Chris yes you are spot on, the Type 45 design is like spicy food you can come to like it and when you do!!! Reflect on this the CVF like the 45 is really not the most graceful of ships but as a future model it has a huge potential. In fact when I first laid eyes on the Invincible I thought they will never appeal to the model builder of RN ships weaned on R09 but there have been more , Invincible class carrier models built than any other type of RN carrier. Right then back to my spicy model ,
Dave Wooley

Nice topic, however, how long do you think this model will take to build? (and yes, I'm asking because I want to know when to expect your Stereguchiy to go back in production!). I'm of course also interested in this ship, I don't think it's ugly at all!

Dave,

Personally I like the clean lines of the modern ships, and I can really appreciate how much they simplify model construction. Maybe that's the problem, not enough detail. I have wondered if that is why you are putting so much effort into the hanger and boat wells? There isn't much else to detail!

For contrast, look at the WWII ships. One of the officers of the Yamato said the ship looked like a huge potato with pins sticking out in all directions. You have to admit that those ships were cluttered, although the clutter was functional. Today the lack of clutter is functional.

I think I am modeling one of the ugliest ships - a modified WWII cruiser with all sorts of additions hanging all over it. It has modifications to modifications, and really looks like a ship that was designed by a committee. There are thousands of downspouts, lights, cables, switches, air ports, doors, hatches, booms, antennas, searchlights, winches, handrails, lifelines, ... The list is nearly endless, as is the construction time necessary to model it all. It is like an ugly dog - the only way you can love it is if it is your ugly dog!

In comparison the Daring looks like a "best of show" dog. At least it does to me.

Phil

Neptune wrote:Nice topic, however, how long do you think this model will take to build? (and yes, I'm asking because I want to know when to expect your Stereguchiy to go back in production!). I'm of course also interested in this ship, I don't think it's ugly at all!

Ah Roel my friend good to hear from you . Daring will not be in any way an extended build . All that will be shown here will be the work on the hanger and RIB galleries , come to think of it that IS the only real scratch building on the model. But during the build on Daring I'll post up some up dates . Another interesting facet of the hanger /RIB builds that appeal to me is the 101 Merlin helicopter and the two RIBs , Merlin an Italieri Kit the RIBS scratch built but that will do for the future.
Dave Wooley

DrPR wrote:Dave,

Personally I like the clean lines of the modern ships, and I can really appreciate how much they simplify model construction. Maybe that's the problem, not enough detail. I have wondered if that is why you are putting so much effort into the hanger and boat wells? There isn't much else to detail!

For contrast, look at the WWII ships. One of the officers of the Yamato said the ship looked like a huge potato with pins sticking out in all directions. You have to admit that those ships were cluttered, although the clutter was functional. Today the lack of clutter is functional.

I think I am modeling one of the ugliest ships - a modified WWII cruiser with all sorts of additions hanging all over it. It has modifications to modifications, and really looks like a ship that was designed by a committee. There are thousands of downspouts, lights, cables, switches, air ports, doors, hatches, booms, antennas, searchlights, winches, handrails, lifelines, ... The list is nearly endless, as is the construction time necessary to model it all. It is like an ugly dog - the only way you can love it is if it is your ugly dog!

In comparison the Daring looks like a "best of show" dog. At least it does to me.

Phil

Hi Phil you are spot on in what you say .There is not enough detail on a Stealth DDG , at least to feed my apatite for working on detail, hence in some way the hanger helps remedy this situation . But when they let me loose on Daring I did manage to see lots of detail but the way the vessel is designed and built much of this is semi concealed. You can see it when you�r aboard but viewing from a distance the detail is invisible. I guess in this instance the old adage� the devil is in the detail� is very true indeed. The view of a ship is in the eye of the beholder and as you say there is enough ugly brutes built in WW2 to appeal to the need for diversity that exists in all of us.
Dave Wooley .

Ok time for more updates. The next stage involved fabricating the stanchions and rails along the walkway.
These are slightly different to other types of what would be termed RN type. On Daring these are different than those that have been fitted previously For a start the stanchions fitted to both the out side and within the hanger are made of GRP and are of box section .For this purpose I had to use some modeller�s license as the box section I wanted was styrene and not quite strong enough for the task required. So I had to rethink my options and for the hanger I cheated and adopted a brass rod. Close matched either side by flat styrene strip. The initial thought was how to generate 20 sections that where identical and would adopt �some" resemblance to those within the hanger and not take hours upon hours to make. The question was answered by making up a simple jig. really can not overstate the value of this odd ball type of jigs .Here I wanted three functions
1 The mark drill and cut each flat bar
2 Mark and cut each round rail
3 To ensure that each and every subsequent set of rails are the same.
Here is the Jig that will do the job. It doesn't look much but it does the trick and works.

Using a pin vice each of the 3 holes where made using the guide .

Next each of the three bars where cut to length . Left of the picture a rail is being checked out for size .

With all the parts cut to size assembly begins

The principle works

All the made up rails are temporally located around the walkway.

A length of rail temporarily fitted into position on the walkway

Fitted at the "rear" of the hanger towards the roof is a splayed structure which joins to part of the rear bulkhead and roof .constructing this was straightforward. Using the pictures the angles where measured that formed the sides and the back also cut to size

To ensure symmetry the parts where fitted between angle plates.

The completed section fitted into the hanger

On either side are narrow sections that are fitted to the bulkhead above and below the walkway . This one will support the main fire main { more on that later} ventilation pipes and electrical fittings.

More next time ��.
Dave Wooley

Beautiful work Dave! You've managed to have your cake and eat it too. I love watching your techniques. Keep it coming!

Were there,s a will, there,s a way,

Hi Dave wow
i can see an great effort based in no plans to do just pictures from a complex hanger...
i like to see how you solve it.
perfect

Looking good Dave

I guess it can be argued that the only real option for detailing these modern ships are the interiors- hangars, boat bays etc? Still, I've seen a few 1/72nd scale 45s and they're impressive on the water.

Mind you, watching two of them fitting out at Yarrows, sorry BAe, at Scotstoun was more so, they are big beasts.

Maybe they'll actually get the missile and radar systems speaking to each other and she can be more than a big gunboat.