Calling all SMS König class fans

[frenchinamst]

[quote="frenchinamst]
Yes, according to Jim Baumann, its coal scuttles... not deck hatches.

What is the proper color for coal scuttles?[/quote][/quote]

Stainless steel was invented in 1913, so probably any similar metal color chart, i use dark grey regarding the metal aspect and the coal.

no idea for the decks hatches and vents...

[Charlestonguy]

Stainless steel was invented in 1913, so probably any similar metal color chart, i use dark grey regarding the metal aspect and the coal.
no idea for the decks hatches and vents...

Thanks for the reply.
On another note the torpedo nets from WEM are for a waterline version. I'm assuming that for those who have used those in stowed rather than deployed rolled them. Anyone have any tips for doing this as my set did not have any instructions included?

[Guest]

the version for waterline dont have the right size; its done only to show how its look from the boat to the surface of the water;
if u roll them, it will not look right on my opinion.

[Charlestonguy]

the version for waterline dont have the right size; its done only to show how its look from the boat to the surface of the water;
if u roll them, it will not look right on my opinion.

So what is the solution?

[Timmy C]

Jim Baumann has used shoelace to replicate stowed torpedo nets.

[Eric Bergerud]

I never regretted doing a post-Jutland Konig. I found the kit awarded challenges enough as it stood. I was debating the subject a year back, but as I recall I couldn't figure out a way to make the embellishment accurate or worth the candle if constructing the ship as it would have appeared underway. At least that was one trial spared when I did Oregon. That must have been the last generation of warship that didn't carry the nets. (I have to admit I was also influenced by my idea of what a warship should look like. I just couldn't shake the notion that I was asked to build a Dreadnought with a fishing net attached. Those lovely clean lines screwed up bundled ropes. History is bunk.) Half of my ship stash is of that era (Mikasa, Varyag, Ching Yuen, Emden and hopefully that 1/350 Trumpie Elizabeth) so I guess the matter will come up again.
Eric

[mifune]

[quote="frenchinamst]
Yes, according to Jim Baumann, its coal scuttles... not deck hatches.

What is the proper color for coal scuttles?

[/quote]

Stainless steel was invented in 1913, so probably any similar metal color chart, i use dark grey regarding the metal aspect and the coal.

no idea for the decks hatches and vents...[/quote][/quote][/quote]




German coal scuttles were covered with wood. I`ll search my books for pictures. Stainless steel was way too pricey for scuttles. Cast iron, brass?

[DariusP]

Cast iron most likely. Brass is/was more expensive than cast iron.

[drdoom1337]

Are all of the decks on the ICM Konig class kits the same? The Konig wood deck from Artwox has been out of stock forever. I was looking at my Konig and I've screwed up the planking in a lot of places and would like to add the wood....

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

Yes, all the ICM K�nig class kits have the same deck.

The slight difference in some of the kits (Markgraf) that this one includes the different slender foremast and yardarms, which were standard before 'Jutland'.

I don't know about the Artwox decks, but you could consider making your own deck from Evergreen plastic, with suitable painting technique (in this case: my conversion of the same ICM kit to a Kaiser class ship):

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

German coal scuttles were covered with wood. I`ll search my books for pictures. Stainless steel was way too pricey for scuttles. Cast iron, brass?

Looking forward to those pics, Mikko!

[Charlestonguy]

German coal scuttles were covered with wood. I`ll search my books for pictures. Stainless steel was way too pricey for scuttles. Cast iron, brass?

Looking forward to those pics, Mikko!

That sounds right as (I think) you would not want spark producing matterial used. Looking forward to your pictures to confirm.

[mifune]

German coal scuttles were covered with wood. I`ll search my books for pictures. Stainless steel was way too pricey for scuttles. Cast iron, brass?

Looking forward to those pics, Mikko!

Here You go! From the deck of SMS Von der Tann.

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[Charlestonguy]

Many thanks for posting that picture of the coal skuttle!

[drdoom1337]

Hey guys, I'm REALLY hoping for some help here. Are the upper bridge platforms ONLY on Konig? Let's say I want to build the 1/350 kit as Kronprinz after Jutland with the 88's plated over and the tube mast.

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

I believe the answer must be YES.

Btw: the original larger picture can easily be found in Wikipedia.

The K�nig class battleships differed really little between them, the upper bridge being very small indeed, hardly usable for an admiral's staff. Maybe that's why the class was skipped when the fleet commander transfered his flag from the Friedrich der Gro�e (Kaiser class) to the Baden (Bayern class) in 1917.

Maarten

[drdoom1337]

That photo of Kronprinz has all of the bridge platforms that Konig does, so I'm going to assume they were added after the torpedo nets/booms and casemates were plated over. I just don't want to get 75% through my build to find out it's all wrong.

[drdoom1337]

This card build from another forum highlights the area of concern I have. If you look at the tube mast, there's a round windowed structure with an inclined ladder leading up to it.


From the photo on Wikipedia, it's impossible to tell if this is correct or not.

This model in the gallery by Christian Capra illustrates Konigs bridge structure.

As you can see, the round windowed structure on Konig extends all the way to the funnel, instead of just wrapping around the mast with a ladder to the lower level.



In the Wiki photo, it doesn't seem like Kronprinz has those windows underneath the round structure, so I'm assuming the card model is correct and parts will need to be scratch built.

Can anyone PLEASE shed light on this before I start assembling the bridge on my kit?

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

Hi ddroom1337,

I have a copy of an 1917 K�nig drawing, where the new tube mast was inked in apparently. It shows the details of the platforms very well.

Please send me a message offline with your email, the drawing is too large to post here.

[Christian M.]

Good morning,

because I get next weekend after unexpected offer a 1/350 SMS Markgraff kit from ICM, I search now for usefull things from aftermarket. As far as I know now, the WEM Set is valid for all ships of this class, also I found some barrels for 8.8cm and 15cm brass barrels, but looking on the several buildings made here, there were also brass barrels for the 12inch / 30.5cm used. Unfortunatelly I did not found them in store of any knwon shop named. Can anyone me please tell, which company makes such a set?

Sorry for that question, but after 2 times searching for 1 hour in www and reading several building reeports of Koenig, Grosser Kurfuerst etc., I found now where any info about brass barrels ... even in that building logs where they are used, it was not written from whom these brass gin sets are.


Cheers,
Christian