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Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:22 pm
by JIM BAUMANN
Simply outstanding quality!

I very much enjoy the precise and supremely explanatory in progress photos!!

Truly a milestone in my understanding of the technology employed!

Bravo--and thank you for sharing!

JIM B :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :woo_hoo:

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:45 pm
by Miguel
JIM BAUMANN wrote:Simply outstanding quality!

I very much enjoy the precise and supremely explanatory in progress photos!!

Truly a milestone in my understanding of the technology employed!

Bravo--and thank you for sharing!

JIM B :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :woo_hoo:
Yes Jim ,this project is too complex and soooooooo magnific,it remembered me when I was in the elemental school and watched the High school boys science projects :big_eyes: :big_eyes: :big_eyes:

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:43 am
by JIM BAUMANN
how is the project coming along Bruno?

What are you working on presently...?

Intrigued-and impatient!

Regards

JIM B :thumbs_up_1:

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:39 am
by bgire
Hi Jim, :wave_1:

Our project is still on its way and we're working on currently. :thumbs_up_1:

September-October work :
Jean completely redesigned the RR stuff (locos) after getting a new extensive data source. I'll receive next week its master films to do the etching.
He also completely redesigned the huge YD33 floating crane to include modifications, corrections from the prototype, as well as alternate part arrangement to ease the assembly... which was sometimes extremely challenging.

I designed and ordered from Burkhardt Masch awesome tiny threaded rods to add in the visible YD33 machinery. Burkhardt did an extraordinary job, as ever.

I'm currently doing moulds for casting the "hull" section of YD33 in resin, to save etching and money.

We both redesigned the special PE jig which will be used to "easily" assemble the 72 frames of the Gato sub sections. The first version, although feasible, was too difficult to use and I had to give up last August.

And we started another major addition (a floating one :shipcaptain: ) which has never been done before... but this is a surprise, so we won't tell you more or post pics of this until the prototype is done. All I can tell now is I simply fell on the floor, speechless, when I received the film masters... :big_eyes:

Next milestone is planned at the end of this month, so pictures will follow by early November.

Jean and Bruno

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:10 pm
by Kotte
Can't wait! :jump_1:

This is my favourite build to follow. Looking forward to more picures.

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:04 am
by Rui Matos
:thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
More More (please!)

Keep up Bruno and Jean!
:wave_1:
Rui

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:01 am
by Guido
Bruno really knows how to put up some suspense.
Guido

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:18 pm
by bgire
Hello Folks :wave_1:
Here we're back with new stuff for our Mare Island project.
Sometimes ago I posted pictures of my trials to build a Gato submarine structural sections we wanted to put in our slip.

Our concept was good, but assembly proved troublesome, with no efficient way to obtain regular spacing for frames.
I designed a special jig to fulfill this delicate task (remember we're working on a 72mm long hull section with 68 frames spaced 1.01mm with central section spaced .87mm!), but this proved too difficult to handle.
We redesigned our jig in last August and I tried "the assembly" this month.

First I spent hours on official Gato blueprints (from the Floating Drydock) to get structural shape of each frame : some are plain, some are only lattice frames, some with round holes, oval holes, etc... This was a long but rather easy task from the blueprints. I issued a resumee I sent to Jean who drew the 68 frames, keel sections, longitudinal stiffeners... and the jig, of course. :woo_hoo:

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And I etched the corresponding 250x100mm nickel-steel sheet.

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Following is a description of the assembly of a structural Gato hull.

Reminder : we wanted to obtain this :

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Here is our special designed jig which can hold each frame at its right position and spacing until we've pushed the cylindrical watertight compartment. Of course, our jig is... photo etched. Frame numbering is relief etched and high lighted with white paint for ease.

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The jig ready for work. Note movable clamps which are used to hold the keel during assembly.

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Here comes the keel assemblies (we wanted one complete keel from frame 35 to 108 as well as two smaller sections, thus making three different keels):

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Each keel section is made of four parts : two external, relief etched and two internal, making a total thickness of .4mm:

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First the four parts are put together and adjusted with the jig's clamps:

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Then they're glued with super fluid CA glue which bonds the four layer assembly.
Here's the "main keel" being glued:

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Let's start with the large keel : this is clamped in the jig to exactly match the side slots:

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The end frame (#35 from bow) is glued on the tip of the keel : it's inserted laterally through the positioning slots:

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Then each of the following 67 frames is inserted and simultaneously a 6mm brass tubing (the central watertight compartment) is gently pushed through. At this stage each frame is glued to the keel only with a tiny drop of CA glue:

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Note the sliding top clamps which prevent the jig from opening and allow enough visibility to work inside:

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Assembly under progress:

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Three hours and 68 frames later, the aft end frame is glued:

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Now is the turn of the two longitudinal top girders which are clamped into the frames at the top of the ballasts:

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The assembly is now "secure" and the jig can be opened to work on mid longitudinal girders:

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The hull is almost finished. Now come the end bulkheads:

Some details are added externally, such as part of plating, pipes... etc.:

Now comes the painting. Most period pictures are B&W, making difficult to know the real colours. We planned a red lead or grey shades... until we discovered on the NARA colour slides collection a beautiful series of the assembly of USS Bergall (SS-320), a Balao class sub which showed... zinc chromate primer frames (Plane fans will be delighted). Of course, this may not have been the only/ standard colour, but this is a proof it has been used at last for some ships, and this will add a touch of live colour in our grey-blue-green diorama...

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Original colour pictures may be found here:
http://www.historylink101.com/ww2_navy/ ... index.html
USS Bergall pictures are located between #15062 and 15157.

Now the paint is drying� more pictures tomorrow !

PS : in the meantime, Jean is working on another addition� but I can�t tell about : he could kill me. Just have stolen a picture :

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(Reminds of Mars Attacks, hu ?) :wacko:

Bruno

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:58 pm
by JIM BAUMANN
That is simply BREATH-TAKING....

I am actually breathless!- that is SO beautiful--and SO clever and SO innovative....

I can write ...-- but I can still not breathe!

It is TRULY magnificent!

:thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Jim B :wave_1: :wave_1: + another :thumbs_up_1:

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:24 pm
by Miguel
JIM BAUMANN wrote:That is simply BREATH-TAKING....

I am actually breathless!- that is SO beautiful--and SO clever and SO innovative....

I an write but I can still not breathe!

It is TRULY magnificent!

:thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Jim B :wave_1: :wave_1: + another :thumbs_up_1:
:big_eyes:

Yes Jim.....You are totally right,everything else I would say is blablablabla

Bruno.... It's shocking,truly a masterpiece.

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:41 pm
by Kym Knight
An engineering feat that easily rivals building the real submarine. You and Jean rock!

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:35 am
by Cadman
Now that is cool. :thumbs_up_1:

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:56 am
by Yannis Karystinos
Your devotion to accuracy both historic and modelling accompanied by your skills results in an unprecedented work.

My sincere compliments.

Yannis

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:45 pm
by Kotte
Oh, Crikey! :worship_1:

I knew I wouldn't be disappointed and the wait was really worthwhile.

Breathtaking, lack for words...

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:22 pm
by johndon
Superb work once again :thumbs_up_1:

John

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:03 pm
by bgire
:wave_1: A sequel of the preceding �show�:

A re-used the jig to assemble another two smaller sections of the sub. The small one includes frame 58 to 68 and the middle one frame 69 to 85.

Here is the small section�s keel in the jig:

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The two sections after assembly:

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� Managed to build giant fingers:

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Pre-fabricated sections were carried with a temporary stiffening cross:

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A family portrait:

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More to come next Saturday.
Bruno

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:59 pm
by Miguel
Fantastic!!!!!! :woo_hoo: :woo_hoo:

Bruno,that lil submarine simply rocks .

That Dio is stunning
Thanks for the pictures

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:14 pm
by MichelB
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Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:40 pm
by bgire
A sequel of the sequel

I airbrushed the sub sections with Zinc Chromate primer. Here is the result : :woo_hoo:

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Next time we�ll shift on another new part for our Yard. Jean is just doing the prototype assembly of this� awesome addition� suspense� :big_grin: :big_grin:

Bruno

Re: A 1:700 scale 1944 Mare Island Navy Yard

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:56 pm
by MichelB
Is it.... is it.... the Craneship Kearsarge?