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Tom Dougherty wrote:
I've heard that the Alanger kit while shape wise to be very very good, it messed up in other areas.
For example, hardly any panels lines.
Let me say this one more time, with emphasis: There are no panel lines on submarines! Panel lines as seen on, e.g. aircraft models, would not be present on a submarine hull. When hull sections are welded together the welds are built up in successive sections and then the weld bead ground down flush to the hull. On US Subs, the weld bead must be ground to within 1/16th of an inch of the hull.
Torpedo tubes should be represented as scribed lines, as should be access hatches, free flooding storage areas, and ballast tank flood ports. I'm not sure if the tiles could be represented accurately at 1/350 scale.

Yeah I know there shouldn't be but let's face; without something in this scale even the best build jobs have a very hard time not looking like a toy. And more to the point, the Alanger kit is missing piles of lines that SHOULD be there. Not what I would call a minor flaw.

Also just measured my Alanger kit (fergot I still had one); comes out to 20.25", so certainly too long by way too much if 19 5/8" is correct for 1/350.

And casting my vote for an accurate 1/350 plastic (or resin even) Typhoon class.
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You can take a look at what is and isn't there at: http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/sh ... eview.html
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Hi,
Can anyone point me to a picture of a soviet SSBN loading missiles?
I would like to build a small vigenette showing the Kursk being loaded with nuclear missiles.
thanks,
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How long are the Oscar class and Akula and Sierra and last the Victor III classes to stay in service till ?
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braxat2000 wrote:Hi,
Can anyone point me to a picture of a soviet SSBN loading missiles?
I would like to build a small vigenette showing the Kursk being loaded with nuclear missiles.
thanks,
Eyal.
Kursk was an SSGN, not an SSBN. If you do want to depict Kursk being loaded with a nuke, it would have to be a P-700 Granit (NATO: SS-N-19 Shipwreck) anti-ship cruise missile.
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Thanks :thumbs_up_1:
Is there a photo somewhere showing it (or another missile being loaded into a russian sub?)
I found a book showing US submarine being loaded but not soviet on though.
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some foto from the net on granit aboard the oskar
ciao peppe
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something more...
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Awesome!!
thank you very much :thumbs_up_1:
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Agreed - those are fantastic pics. Thank you!! :big_grin:


Note: the weapon being loaded through the bow in the next to last picture is not a regular torpedo, it's either an SS-N-15 or an SS-N-16
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That is indeed the SA-N-15.
Another note though, the missile being loaded in the black and white pics is not a Granit at all. It's probably a picture of either a Charlie or the Papa sub being loaded with their missile (forgot the name). Granit has its booster as a short cilinder behind the actual missile, while this one has boosters below its aft wings. In addition the Granit is more fat and has a blunter cap in the front to protect its air inlet. This missile has a rather sharp nose which is connected to its body (not a protective cap). Nice find though. You can also see in the picture that the conning tower of the sub in question is not next to the missile compartment, which is the case on the Oscar, but not the case on Charlie and Papa.
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Well, I do not know how reliable the source is (all I can say is that it made it all the way across the pond in my home country news):

http://freebeacon.com/silent-running/

Maybe this will give us a decent styrene Akula in 1/350 soon?
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Nope Tom,

Definately something much better than that ONE!

I already own it and it has much more shortcomings than accuracies...

So my hopes are still intact.

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Tom Dougherty wrote:You mean like this?
http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/bncn5020.htm
Sooo.....what's wrong with this kit?
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See here for some of the biggest pointers on issues accuracy-wise:

viewtopic.php?f=74&t=91774&start=80

Third post from the top.
If you go back to the previous page of that thread you can see the notable amount of work California Bound put into it to turn it into a more accurate boat.
Also there is a more detailed review if you google the kit.

In any case, bottom line is that Gepard is a one of a kind boat (i.e. only one has been built and, to my knowledge, will be built) with so many differences from the "standard" (i.e. Mainstream) Akula I and Akula Iimproved (for whatever those designations are worth anyhow) that I would have expected Bronco to at least get it 90% correct, which they fail.
Also consider that today there is a pretty good wealth of info available on this boat, which makes the errors even more noteworthy

As I already said somewhere else in this forum, the current only accurate model of an Akula I am aware of, is the Combat Sub series Pit Road resin one. It is obviously OOP now and whenever one pops up it goes for quite a price, so I look forward to a styrene decent one.

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Another thread at another site with a lot of pics of Russian subs as well as those of many other countries:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... submarines

Here's an example - a Borei class SSBN surfacing:
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^^^That must be one hell of a ride :)
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