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Thank you Stefano, Kevin and Jim

Have to look for a picture, one or two should exist still, but nothing too impressive, I was just 12 or 14 those days.

But we �ve got some great "Buddelschiffer" (Builders of ships in the bottle) in our german forum. It is really impressive:
http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/f6 ... lerie.html
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... but then ...

... and here I go again ...

... the blocks ...

... as discribed before punched with the scribing needle, drilled ...



... one side already rounded ...



... and after putting to lenth trapped underneath the finger�s nail to get the opposite side rounded ...



... and like shake�n�bake we got some nice great little itzy-bitzy-teeny-weeny sweet blocks

BUT! Stop Press!

First I was not in a mood for the messy story with the dying stuff and second, isn�t there a better way ?!?

Tja ... that�s dafi ...

... didn�t dafi already make these nice little blocks from wood !?! No messy dying and so on?.

So I tried a simplified version. Prepared two wooden battens accordingly in 1 x 1 mm und 2 x 1 mm - made a distance holder into the drill stand for the distance to the edge and pushed the batten upwards (green) and then moved according to the red mark to the side.



For the double block still turned 180� and did a second round. Works rather fast



Then some bondage with Sello-Tape ...



... and lenghtened with grinding disk which does not create splintering ...



... and unpacked.

Then empaled the blocks on a old 0,5 mm drill ...



... and cleand and rounded the corners ...



... bound a thread onto one of my etch hooks and glued it well centered onto the back side.



Then a knot and some glue on the other side ...



... shortened the short side of the tread ...



... and ready the single block

The same for the double block, just both ends cut.



Made a small scale to measure the required length ...



... and put the blocks into my serving machine. The compass allows easy reading of the required length.



Fitted the lanyards, fixed with glue ...



... and wrapped around.



Looked strange and impracticable, so decided to consult the literature again. Then tried a final wrap in the middle and ended up with no major wrapping, just a big loop and some minor wrapping in the middle. Looks much more logical.



The the final assembly on the trucks and it finally worked the way I wanted!



So after months of no sleep, dafi finally will have a good rest tonight

Sleep well all of you and dream of me nicely ...

... that is what one could call nightmares

Hello Dan

it is always a great pleasure to see your progress.....your work is always so dynamic,always forward,It's formidable!it is a source of endless inspiration thank you for sharing your "sweet Madness"
cheers
Nicolas

Thanks Daniel for that very thorough demonstration, I will be following this.

Looks much better with all the tackle inplace.

In this scale it seems a must to get as much detail in as possible.

This is mouth watering stuff .

Cheers capt-p

Thank you very much

... so easy going tackle knitting watching Sanctuary on TV ...

... goes down the hand easily ...

... or better saying the serving machine



XXXDAn

You are an animal Dafi! My eyes get all squinty and my fingers cramp up just looking at that! I don't know how you do it.

Channell wrote:You are an animal Dafi! My eyes get all squinty and my fingers cramp up just looking at that!

Mine tooo ...

Channell wrote:I don't know how you do it.

I do not know either, must be some alien power overruling me ...

...

XXXDAn

Just amazing work. Really.

I was just thinking,'Which is not often ',you can make the blocks out of plastic also.

But the down side is you would have to paint them .

Just a thought.

Cheers Capt-P

Look captn

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=99050&start=180#p593435
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=99050&p=595221#p594983

Instead of painting I wanted to dye them, worked just ok, perhaps I had still the wrong material.

But I am happy that I came back to the wood.

XXXDAn

dafi wrote:
But I am happy that I came back to the wood.

XXXDAn

That's what she said. But seriously, incredible work.

Thanks dafi

I must have been thinking of a smaller scale, for this 1/100 scale, wood is better.

Will have to make mine plastic for my little project.
I would crack the wood to pieces.

But for this bigger project, you are showing the way, which will make life easier when I start mine in the future.

Great job.

Cheers Capt-P

fantastic work!

Hello Dan

I protest .....I have not had my "dose"...I am addict to your work the strike would she won your shipyard???
hope to see soon, new wonders on your thread
friendships
Nicolas

Great site it is to.

More to come me thinks .

Cheers Capt-P

YES, more WILL come .-)

Just being back from a business trip, hope soon to be able to restart building.

Cheers, Daniel

*blow*

*cough*

... only been away for 57 years and already that much dust?

*think*

What was my favorite pass-time here?

*scratichingthebeard*

Oh yes, there was someting - DEMOLITION!!!



... okokokokok ...

... I know, that the side entry port was already "finally" fixed, but it was stronger than me

...hihihihihihihi...

... it was only to do some castings ...

... but that drew my attention to the old question: the side entry port.

*uiuiuiuiuiuiuishiverofdispair*

Even though there seems to me that there are more hints (no proves) that it was not there at Trafalgar, it is a too nice detail

But if it was there, how was it closed? So I took up some old ideas and tried them out, here are some versions on a mere speculation basis.

Single board on the outside



Half doors opening outside:



Single board on the inside:



Half doors on the inside (like quarter galleries)



... just works out on the inside.



And a version like on fire ships as seen in construction and fitting: Half board on the bottom and half lids on the upper half.



Having had a discussion about that at MSW, I came to the following personal conclusion.

As for my personal opinion seeing those tests:
- I also would discard the inside board/doors for the reason of stability as if seas crushes in, they tend to slam the door inwards too easily.
- The half lid doors are one more gap that could leak, on top the inside half doors have a slight problem with the deck because of the thumbledom and a even bigger one because of the hanging knees, that prevent opening more than 90�.
- The fire ship doors is a too sophisticated feature and I believe it would have been shown.

The "single outside board solution" would give some intersting thoughts. It just requires battens or a small recess like the gun ports inside the opening to be pressed /pulled against. This could be done by some eyebolts and some simple lashing from the inside. As it is not part of the structure and not a permanent fitting, this could explain why it is never represented in the models - it was seen as a mere board. Another hint could be the panelling of the inside of the door frame, this one looks much more like an internal fitting than an outside part of the ship.

But as mentioned before, these are pure speculations, hard proves still missing. But perhaps it allows to get a closer idea, what we are searching for, like special construction details. The only thing I found so far is, that NMM�s plans of Nelson and Caledonia show the usual gunport arrangement of eyebolts around the entry port, as if this port also was used for guns on occasions. And seen the concave outside of the hull, those breeching-eyebolts in the middle would already guarantee a secure lashing of the board against battens or recess ...


Here still is a small color variation of my personal favorite:
Yellow door at the end of 1804 before Nelson took possession of her and ...



... after he introduced his checker on the port lids



XXXDAn

HI Dan

I admire the work of historical research and ,one must "having a pair" for to dare to go rectify of like this small details ,on a almost finished hull !!!!!me, I say "respect"
congrats Daniel
cheers
Nicolas

And I still do not give up the dream, that one day my lower gundeck will be finished, I managed to prepare some ...



... and to do some more ...



... to come closer to this dream of mine.

XXXDAn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ92Y2Hsc2w

Great thought on the side entry ports Daniel.

I have not come accross any thoughts to be for or against your Idea on the entry ports.

But it would have been good practice to use existing port for an extra gun, each side.

Maybe 12 pdrs from the Admirals quarters.

Good thinking on the doors as there had to be something there.

In March I am down in Portsmouth and will see if I can answer some of this question.

You have intrieged me as to the answer.

Cheers Capt-P