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skrakow wrote:For those on the port side, on the hangar deck level, and under the port rear 5" positions I just take your word for it, as for the life of me I can't make out any details on the various photographs of this section. I do see the lighter mats (?) just forward the crane (under the crane beam), and the light speck under the 5" position (I have a 10 MB copy of the photo showing Yorktown's entry into Pearl after Coral Sea, but even there I can't make out any .50 guns on the port hangar deck level. Mats are not applied under the crane either).
Unfortunately, none of the "in port" shots will show any of the .50 cal weapons. Yorktown was in port (I believe at Norfolk) to install the 20MM when Pearl Harbor was attacked. Her installation was rushed and in the confusion, none of her .50's were turned back in to the yard. Yorktown's gunnery officer wasn't sure whether or not he would be forced to return them if discovered, so when the ship was in port, the .50's were carefully stowed out of sight.
skrakow wrote:As for the 20 mms on the fantail, those would just have a splinter mat on the railing in front of them, AND their usual splinter shields - right?
Would the 2x .50s be inboard or outboard of the 2x 20 mms? (Sorry for my lack of Navy and nautical English, by the way - I have no maritime background whatsoever)
I am not sure about what you mean about "inboard or outboard" in this question. There were no .50's on the fantail. The two at the aft "corners" of the flightdeck were in the flightdeck catwalks immediately forward of the rounddown. The ones beside the bow bandstand were right at the forward rail, as seen in this photo: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/imag ... 312016.jpg The bandstand is to the right, just out of the picture. As for what I was saying about splinter screens vs. splinter mats, all of the Yorktown's 20MM had the two on-mount panels. When I mentioned the splinter screens, I was referring to the tubs and other fixed structures that surrounded the 20MM mountings. The above photo will give you some idea about how the splinter mats were mounted.
skrakow wrote:I will add the extension to the bandstand, those parts are small enough to not care too much about the last mm of accuracy as long as it looks the part. None of the 1/700 kits I checked (Trumpeter Hornet, Tamiya Hornet) had the bandstand in any other shape than some sort of oblong tub. The extension with ladder makes sense.

I will look for the Ballard book, I have found some isolated pictures on the net (the stern view with fantail and 2x 20 mms and degaussing cable going around the stern among them - just google for Yorktown pictures and eventually they will show up).

Is it safe to say that the degaussing cable run was pretty much the same as on Enterprise CV-6? If so, there is enough photographs for getting a close enough representation in 1/700 or 1/480 scale (...and "That Gallant Ship" has a nice drawing on the front cover with a clear indication of the cable run on the bow section).
Ballard's book has a photo of the bow bandstand (one of the underwater shots) that hints at the aft extension. It also shows the utility crane. As Mike Vorrasi indicated, the degausing cable is clearly visible in the famous drydock photo of the ship when she was at Pearl being repaired after the Coral Sea battle.
skrakow wrote:And the final, still open question for now: How about the top structures on the tripod mast being painted in 5-H? I still think it is all 5-O above hangar deck level.
In the book "That Gallant Ship", there is an overhead shot of Yorktown in camouflage at Norfolk pier. In that photo the foretop is clearly lighter than the upper part of the hull or the rest of the superstructure. However, photos taken in the Pacific do not appear to show the color demarcation. In the stills taken from the movie footage showing Yorktown entering Pearl, with Enterprise in the foreground, in the shot of Yorktown rounding Ford Island just before Midway, and the Pearl drydock photo, the foretop platforms seem to be the same color as the rest of the superstructure. If so, her top was repainted at some point. But when, exactly, is an open question.
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When transiting to the Pacific Yorktown did stop off in Sandiego for a little while to wait on a convoy going to Samoa.
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Hi folks, noob here! Can anyone lend a hand? I have a question about Yorktown's flight deck -- in her pre-war configuration, was the flight deck some sort of a "natural" wood color, or was it painted/stained in some way, with yellow markings on top of it? Many of the photos I've looked at make the deck's color appear quite dark in contrast to the yellow markings (EXAMPLE), but every model I've found via GIS, as well as box art from various kits, suggests a very uniform, relatively light tan/brown color (EXAMPLE).

Possibly further complicating things is my decision to use the Nautilus Models wooden flight deck replacement kit! What's the best way to proceed here, would it be accurate to leave the wood unpainted, except for the markings, or should I attempt to darken the deck a bit?
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Those are perfect! Thank you so much!
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Hey guys! Long time lurker of this site, but don't post much. I'm also not a good mathematician nor very good at scratch building. BUT I've gotten weary of waiting for a corrected 1/350 CV5/6 so I can do a 1942 Yorktown. So looking for some suggestions/corrections here with this post. This is what I've done for the bridge platform just by eyeballing it. For now it is white-glued to the Nautilus island conversion kit so alignment is a bit off. I'll be working on the fighting tops next, but I am trying to find plans that will show the support braces underneath both platforms.
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And overhead.
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Fighting top.
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Good work - I think it would make a great W.I.P. thread!
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Thanks Tracy. Quite right.
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Hey Tom, I'm still in the planning stages of my build (It's going to be the old Revell 1:485 kit!!), and so I've been digging around looking for reference photos, etc, figuring out what paints I'd like to use, and slowly getting everything together... I thought I had found pretty much all the info I could use online, but just now, quite by accident, I've stumbled upon a PDF of the Booklet of General Plans for the Yorktown, which Paul Budzik happened to link to when citing sources for his Enterprise scratch build! Assuming you don't already have them, will they help you out?

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Hi Jinkeez,
Yes, I do have those PDF plans. As a matter of fact I found them just a few months ago and they are somewhat helpful. I have the Revell kit too and wish you good luck on your build. Hopefully you will post some pictures as I will be trying to do that one too. I have the Gold Medal Models set for it which looks like it will improve on the kit a lot. Now if we could just have that Revell hull in 1/350!!! :big_grin:
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In the CV5 Booklet of General Plans I noticed what was labeled as a "SKYLIGHT". I didn't pay much attention to that but something about it was odd as I have never seen this in any of the pictures of CV 5/6 that I have looked at since I was a kid.

But I ran across a LIFE picture of CV6 fighting top (that I had looked at many times before) and then it jumped out at me. A skylight as plain as day! I don't know how missed that before. Going back and looking at CV5 pictures and especially the one at PH before Midway, I think I can see a dark section on the roof of the top that looks like that window.

Has anyone noticed this before and/or have any additional information on it? I was just surprised to see something new I hadn't noticed before.
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It might not be modeling help, but maybe this might be inspiring to someone modeling Old Yorky...
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Hey, I know this is kind of a dorky thing to be unsure about, but I had a heck of a time finding an online photograph of the Yorktown's big "Y" on the starboard side. There are plenty of pics of the port side's superstructure taken from the flight deck, but not so many of the other side while the identification Y was still there (and plenty without the "Y" which added to the confusion) -- I really wanted to be sure before I endeavored to paint it on both!

In any case, I found a photo that shows the starboard Y!
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... d_1940.jpg
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Question on CV-5 plans. I know the Peter Heenan plans are considered the definitive set for Yorktown. Do these look like them, with the TBD on-deck? I think they are, but it's been so long since I purchased them I can't verify where I got them, and there's no name on them anywhere that I can find.

I want to verify these are the best there is out there before I invest money in having reductions to 1/350 and 1/700 done.
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Devin wrote:Question on CV-5 plans. I know the Peter Heenan plans are considered the definitive set for Yorktown. Do these look like them, with the TBD on-deck? I think they are, but it's been so long since I purchased them I can't verify where I got them, and there's no name on them anywhere that I can find.

I want to verify these are the best there is out there before I invest money in having reductions to 1/350 and 1/700 done.
Devin,

I can't recall who drew them, but those are the Webb Warship plans published in Australia. IGM from The Floating Drydock like 20 or 30 years ago. They still have them listed in their W series sets. They are the cat's meow. They are the official USN plans redrawn for easier viewing for model building purposes. They came in a folder and there were four of five sheets (can't recall). CV-5, 1940 rig with the big nav bridge addition.
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Mike,

Thanks for the info. Yeah, that's exactly what I've got, I believe. 5 or so sheets. My only issue with them is that they're folded and not rolled, so it might make scanning a little difficult. Glad to know they're worth the effort to reduce.

I've got a set of similar style/packaging for the Lex and Wasp as well, which are equally impressive. I really should have taken better records of what I bought and when!

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Devin wrote:Mike,

Thanks for the info. Yeah, that's exactly what I've got, I believe. 5 or so sheets. My only issue with them is that they're folded and not rolled, so it might make scanning a little difficult. Glad to know they're worth the effort to reduce.

I've got a set of similar style/packaging for the Lex and Wasp as well, which are equally impressive. I really should have taken better records of what I bought and when!

Thanks,

-Devin
I have the Wasp set and it is beautiful. Still searching for a good Lex set, but I have other official USN Lex plans that are more comprehensive.
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Please excuse my post if this topic has been covered before, but has anyone attempted to convert a Trumpeter 1/700 CV-8 Hornet kit to CV-5 Yorktown? How many alterations would have to be made?
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