Capt652 wrote:I just watched 'The Caine Mutiny' again and I am wondering about the layout of the ship. The ship DMS 18 in the movie appears to be very similar to a Benson/Gleaves class destroyer. Where in the ship is the space that the officers meet with the large green covered table. And when the Captain leaves and climbs the stairs where does he go? Where is the officers mess?
Thanks!
Timm, the green table was in the officers wardroom that was located on the main deck level below the forward superstructure
aprroximately below mount 52. The ladder from the wardroom
led up to the captain's stateroom. The complete plans for the
a Benson Class DD in PDF format can be found at :http://www.hnsa.org/doc/Index.htm
Click on destroyer.
Would the forthcoming USS Livermore kit be the best of the Dragon Benson/Gleaves kits to use as a basis for USS Kearny at the time she was torpedoed in October 41?
Stephen Allen wrote:Would the forthcoming USS Livermore kit be the best of the Dragon Benson/Gleaves kits to use as a basis for USS Kearny at the time she was torpedoed in October 41?
Yes, but you will need some 50 cal guns and need to fabricate 4 more gun tubs for the aft superstructure and two for the top of the bridge. See attached.
It appears that all of the Federal built Gleaves class destroyers from Aaron Ward (DD-483) on were built without hull portholes. It appears that they were not built with them installed, not just plated over. The repeat Gleaves class units that Federal built before these ships (DD453-456), had at least some portholes installed.
they had portholes! There exists a photo of Aaron Ward along with Buchanan on the slipway, with clearly visible portholes. I asked Timothy Dike about this and he said they where plated over before they went to the Pacific.But take care , I prepare the build of Buchanan in her 44 refit and it seems that a few portholes where opened again ( Warship Pictorial ) . There is a foto of Buchanan on the day of japanese surrender with some visible portholes too.
Both Aaron Ward and Buchanan had all portholes plated over in 42-43. In 44 Buchanan had at least one port hole opened back up. Some of Buchanans twin sisters didn't seem to have any portholes ever opened up. Other ships such as Laffey clearly show that she kept her portholes open. So consult photos of the ship you want to model before you fill or drill.
I just have to remember to photoshop those non-existent port holes gone!!!
Timm Smith Learn something new about the ship or your job every day. Ignorance is not bliss aboard a warship in wartime. Ignorance could cost the life of yourself, a shipmate, or the loss of the ship.
- Personal Information Booklet CV- 38
Well .. I stand corrected!!! I looked at DD-485, 486 , and 487 and couldn't see any plated over portholes. I had checked as completed photos of Aaron Ward and Buchanan and didn't see the plated over portholes ... BUT I should have checked out the PRE-COMPLETION photos ... sigh my bad. I just got done looking at images I had for Aaron Ward including a limited starboard quarter bow view (in the background of another ship's photo) and sure enough you can see the plated over portholes (see below). Then I looked at the June 1944 images of Buchanan after her overhaul and I still couldn't see portholes on the starboard side (the dazzle camo hides them well), but bingo ... on the portside there the newly "reinstalled" portholes were visible ... four of them (see them).
I still don't think that portholes were installed on DD-486 and on by Federal SB, Duncan (DD-485) is up in the air ... I can't see them on the as completed views, but I didn't scan any progress views of her.
Pretty interesting stuff. I covered my portholes completely on Lansdowne, and at 1/350 or smaller I think you would be hard pressed to see plated over ones using "sclae distance" and all.
Rob
Well finally the answer to what that "D" was for on Buchanan in Toyko Bay. A guy over at Steelnavy asked what the "D" was for and eventually Jerry Leslie found the answer ...
Rick,
I believe I answered my own questions, quite by accident. I stumbled across this site, http://ussnicholas.org/1945japan.html and found the deck logs for the vessels involved. If I read them correctly Able is USS Taylor, per Plan of the Day and Deck Log. Baker is USS Lansdowne, per Plan of the Day and Deck Log. Charlie is USS Nicholas, per Plan of the Day and Deck Log. And of course Dog is USS Buchanan per numerous historic documentation. If you find pictures let me know, Thank You.
Ok I boogered up my hull decals for the Buchanan, so where can I get replacements? I am doing Lansdowne and tried adapting the buchanan decals. Didn't work out for me, so I have done some searching and can't seem to find any plain white aftermarket hull numbers in 1/350. Help?????
Thanks
Rob
Yep, I was looking at those but could not find a clear picture of the sheet, thanks for the scan. I also thought about model rail road decals, and Super Scale used to make sheets of just numbers in various sizes and colors, but I haven't seen those in years
Rob
Edited to add: So I found some woodland scenic dry transers at the local model RR shop. Not quite corect, but for such small numbers looks close enough, even for an picky old Chief like me!
Rob - I'm not using the hull numbers from my Buchanan kit. If you want them, drop me a note with your address and I'll just put them in the mail.
Barry
Stratboy wrote:Ok I boogered up my hull decals for the Buchanan, so where can I get replacements? I am doing Lansdowne and tried adapting the buchanan decals. Didn't work out for me, so I have done some searching and can't seem to find any plain white aftermarket hull numbers in 1/350. Help?????
Thanks
Rob
I've got another question about depth charges - though it might have been answered by the last the color photos that Matt posted above. For my model of USS Ellyson (DD-454) I'm using racks for the 300 lb depth charges rather than the pedestals that come with the kit. Looking at the photo above, I see that a K-gun projector was installed next to the rack, but did the rack also extend over the side so charges could be rolled off? I haven't found a good picture of the way these racks were installed. Thanks, Barry
