SS Hydrograaf, 1/100 3D, hydrographic ship, Royal Dutch Navy
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A good choice of subject for the scale and practical size you were desiring. The late Victorian vessels have a certain aesthetic, an age greatly favored by Model Railroaders with regards to buildings etc. Nicely detailed and very colorful!
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Indeed it is the beautiful time of the design and.. not so beautiful war.
��The war in East Africa. 1916, Lake Tanganika, a Belgian aeroplane attacks the 'Graf von Goetzen��

��The war in East Africa. 1916, Lake Tanganika, a Belgian aeroplane attacks the 'Graf von Goetzen��

Iceman 29 wrote:Printing bridge fins pillars and of an engine pass which above the steam engines, a thing that we do not see much, but the port door of the engine is open, so.
I found the crew in free mode on the different 3D websites.
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Was that the ship attacked in the movie "African Queen"?
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More here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Liemba
Liemba is believed to be the inspiration for the German gunboat Luisa in C. S. Forester's 1935 novel The African Queen, and John Huston's subsequent film version. The ship featured in the 1992 BBC Television travel series Pole to Pole. Indican Pictures and Breadbox Productions released a documentary on the ship in 2010, Liemba.
MV Liemba, formerly Graf Goetzen or Graf von Goetzen, is a passenger and cargo ferry that runs along the eastern shore of Lake Tanganyika. The Marine Services Company Limited of Tanzania sails her, with numerous stops to pick up and set down passengers, between the ports of Kigoma, Tanzania and Mpulungu, Zambia.
Graf von Goetzen was built in 1913 in Germany, and was one of three vessels the German Empire used to control Lake Tanganyika during the early part of the First World War. Her captain had her scuttled on 26 July 1916 in Katabe Bay during the German retreat from Kigoma. In 1924, a British Royal Navy salvage team raised her and in 1927 she returned to service as Liemba. Liemba is the last vessel of the German Imperial Navy still actively sailing anywhere in the world.
��The African Queen
The original version of The African Queen, written by C. S. Forester and serialised in the News Chronicle in 1934, was very different from the one associated with the film. In this Rose and Allnut are planning to attack a German cruiser named Dortmund (loosely based on SMS K�nigsberg), with the launch sailing down the river to attack it in the river delta.
In the book the German gunboat K�nigin Luise (referred to by hero Charlie Allnutt as Louisa) is based on Kingani, a German gunboat sunk on Lake Tanganyika and to a certain extent the events portrayed in the film are based on the dramatic naval operation carried out by the Royal Navy, but the events described in the book bear little resemblance to the true historical events.
The book was subsequently made into the 1951 classic film The African Queen, starring Humphrey Bogart and Katharine Hepburn. The steam-tug Buganda on Lake Victoria, which was used for the long shots, played the gunboat used in the filming. The film brought a certain notoriety to Goetzen or Liemba.��
Liemba is believed to be the inspiration for the German gunboat Luisa in C. S. Forester's 1935 novel The African Queen, and John Huston's subsequent film version. The ship featured in the 1992 BBC Television travel series Pole to Pole. Indican Pictures and Breadbox Productions released a documentary on the ship in 2010, Liemba.
MV Liemba, formerly Graf Goetzen or Graf von Goetzen, is a passenger and cargo ferry that runs along the eastern shore of Lake Tanganyika. The Marine Services Company Limited of Tanzania sails her, with numerous stops to pick up and set down passengers, between the ports of Kigoma, Tanzania and Mpulungu, Zambia.
Graf von Goetzen was built in 1913 in Germany, and was one of three vessels the German Empire used to control Lake Tanganyika during the early part of the First World War. Her captain had her scuttled on 26 July 1916 in Katabe Bay during the German retreat from Kigoma. In 1924, a British Royal Navy salvage team raised her and in 1927 she returned to service as Liemba. Liemba is the last vessel of the German Imperial Navy still actively sailing anywhere in the world.
��The African Queen
The original version of The African Queen, written by C. S. Forester and serialised in the News Chronicle in 1934, was very different from the one associated with the film. In this Rose and Allnut are planning to attack a German cruiser named Dortmund (loosely based on SMS K�nigsberg), with the launch sailing down the river to attack it in the river delta.
In the book the German gunboat K�nigin Luise (referred to by hero Charlie Allnutt as Louisa) is based on Kingani, a German gunboat sunk on Lake Tanganyika and to a certain extent the events portrayed in the film are based on the dramatic naval operation carried out by the Royal Navy, but the events described in the book bear little resemblance to the true historical events.
The book was subsequently made into the 1951 classic film The African Queen, starring Humphrey Bogart and Katharine Hepburn. The steam-tug Buganda on Lake Victoria, which was used for the long shots, played the gunboat used in the filming. The film brought a certain notoriety to Goetzen or Liemba.��
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Re: SS Hydrograaf, 1/100 3D, hydrographic ship, Royal Dutch
Drawing of the port side service boat, the type is named Vlet "E", a traditional Dutch classic boat still built for pleasure.
It's almost finished, there is still some fittings to draw.
The plan I used is accurate but wrong between the 3 views, it doesn't match, I had to play with the electronic pencil...





The plan I used ( Thanks Maarten ), I used the clinker canoe, there is a bilge model:



This is a beautiful canoe, with a resemblance to another equally traditional Norwegian canoe.



A 6.2 meter motorized pleasure boat:


It's almost finished, there is still some fittings to draw.
The plan I used is accurate but wrong between the 3 views, it doesn't match, I had to play with the electronic pencil...





The plan I used ( Thanks Maarten ), I used the clinker canoe, there is a bilge model:



This is a beautiful canoe, with a resemblance to another equally traditional Norwegian canoe.



A 6.2 meter motorized pleasure boat:


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I'll probably redo the drawing of the starboard canoe, I had done without the clins by simulating them, it's less pretty of course.
Here it is almost finished, it is missing. 2 cleats at the back, the oars.
I transferred a copy of the Vlet to the Hydrograaf drawing to adjust the scale of the ship in relation to the plan and to decide where exactly to install the attachment points for the davits. I have the 2 canoe supports to place as well.




Here it is almost finished, it is missing. 2 cleats at the back, the oars.
I transferred a copy of the Vlet to the Hydrograaf drawing to adjust the scale of the ship in relation to the plan and to decide where exactly to install the attachment points for the davits. I have the 2 canoe supports to place as well.




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Pascal:
Thank you for the historical dissertation! A friend and his wife were born in British East Africa and besides being a pilot for British East African Airways he owned a boat factory and personally delivered a boat on Lake Victoria to the "esteemed" Idi Amin. The boat was delivered in the middle of the lake and Idi showed up with considerable 'muscle".
Cheers: Tom
Thank you for the historical dissertation! A friend and his wife were born in British East Africa and besides being a pilot for British East African Airways he owned a boat factory and personally delivered a boat on Lake Victoria to the "esteemed" Idi Amin. The boat was delivered in the middle of the lake and Idi showed up with considerable 'muscle".
Cheers: Tom
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It must be a challenge to build a ship there on that lake.
Here is an exceptional brass model of this ship, built by Klaus Berges.
There are also some pictures of the assembly of the Gotzen on the lake after having traveled in parts from Germany.
https://www.klausberges.de/startseite/graf-g%C3%B6tzen/
I am looking for the plans of this ship.
Here is an exceptional brass model of this ship, built by Klaus Berges.
There are also some pictures of the assembly of the Gotzen on the lake after having traveled in parts from Germany.
https://www.klausberges.de/startseite/graf-g%C3%B6tzen/
I am looking for the plans of this ship.
Pascal
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The parts where only screwed together by the Meyer-Werft in Papemburg, disassembled packed into boxes and shipped by rail to Hamburg. There the boxes were loaded on a steamer bound for Dar-es-Salaam. From there then the boxes were transported on the recently completed Tanganjika-Line to the lake to be finally put together by a local workforce under the supervision of foreman and engineers sent out from Papenburg. In the town museum in Papenburg there is a section devoted to this ship and its history.
The original drawings of GOETZEN are still available, as the shipyard still exists and in fact has become one of the few still successfully operating European yards. The Meyer-Werft is a leading builder of cruise-ships, with some of the biggest on their records.
Our association member Lothar Wischmeyer has drawn a model-building plan. I did not find in any on-line shop at the moment, but he sells them privately and I can pass on his contact details by PM. I believe the model by Klaus Berges linked above was built on the basis of this plan.
BTW, another unlikely place to find quite sizeable steamers is Lake Titicaca. There is no railway link and the boxes had to be transported up to 3812 m altitude by mule (which took six years in one case). Some years ago I had the opportunity to visit them: https://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-s ... /titicaca/ (Sorry, commentary only in German). There are other, modern ships on the lake as well. I did a cruise on one.
The original drawings of GOETZEN are still available, as the shipyard still exists and in fact has become one of the few still successfully operating European yards. The Meyer-Werft is a leading builder of cruise-ships, with some of the biggest on their records.
Our association member Lothar Wischmeyer has drawn a model-building plan. I did not find in any on-line shop at the moment, but he sells them privately and I can pass on his contact details by PM. I believe the model by Klaus Berges linked above was built on the basis of this plan.
BTW, another unlikely place to find quite sizeable steamers is Lake Titicaca. There is no railway link and the boxes had to be transported up to 3812 m altitude by mule (which took six years in one case). Some years ago I had the opportunity to visit them: https://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-s ... /titicaca/ (Sorry, commentary only in German). There are other, modern ships on the lake as well. I did a cruise on one.
Eberhard
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Re: SS Hydrograaf, 1/100 3D, hydrographic ship, Royal Dutch
Thanks Wefalck, yes, you can send me the contact, i'm interesting.
I was going to contact Klaus Berges today to try to get some information.
I was going to contact Klaus Berges today to try to get some information.
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Re: SS Hydrograaf, 1/100 3D, hydrographic ship, Royal Dutch
This ends.
A small method to draw exact supports.
You have to make a cut with the program at the right place and reproduce the hull shape at that place. All this is quite fast. Then you have to adapt the angles of the lower surfaces of the supports to the camber and the sheer of the ship's deck.








A small method to draw exact supports.
You have to make a cut with the program at the right place and reproduce the hull shape at that place. All this is quite fast. Then you have to adapt the angles of the lower surfaces of the supports to the camber and the sheer of the ship's deck.








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Re: SS Hydrograaf, 1/100 3D, hydrographic ship, Royal Dutch
An interesting shape of boat, as always a clever method devised to achieve the clinker hull.
Cheers: Tom
Cheers: Tom
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Re: SS Hydrograaf, 1/100 3D, hydrographic ship, Royal Dutch
Yes it's a nice small boat.
It's been 4 months since I started this project and I'm more satisfied with this one than the previous one, the Nomadic. I worked on correcting my little design mistakes, not in the parts, but rather in their layout for assembly, so this ship is easier to assemble.
The 1/100 also helps a lot with the relative accuracy of the printing.
The Vlet E print is very good, even the rear cleats came out well.
I still have some oars to draw, some lifebuoys for the rail, but those are already drawn.





It's been 4 months since I started this project and I'm more satisfied with this one than the previous one, the Nomadic. I worked on correcting my little design mistakes, not in the parts, but rather in their layout for assembly, so this ship is easier to assemble.
The 1/100 also helps a lot with the relative accuracy of the printing.
The Vlet E print is very good, even the rear cleats came out well.
I still have some oars to draw, some lifebuoys for the rail, but those are already drawn.





Pascal
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Not looking bad at all ... the only point I would remark is, that the clinker-built structure should actually be visible inside the hull as well
One of the next tasks on my list is to construct four clinker-built boats in 1:160 - the traditional way ... but I will cheat and show three of them covered for the sea.
One of the next tasks on my list is to construct four clinker-built boats in 1:160 - the traditional way ... but I will cheat and show three of them covered for the sea.
Eberhard
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Re: SS Hydrograaf, 1/100 3D, hydrographic ship, Royal Dutch
It was feasible but changing the thickness of the clins because of the minimum hull thickness for printing was quite risky.
Here is the design with the "double hull" removed.

Here is the design with the "double hull" removed.

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Looking very good now - one really gets the feeling of a clinkered boat 
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Re: SS Hydrograaf, 1/100 3D, hydrographic ship, Royal Dutch
SUPERB !!
the repaint in Buff has really transformed the model!
I may have ,missed something somewhere---- but the decks are teak? and you have them
depicted errr...--- unmaintained--ie gone grey ?
-or is there another reason for the deck colour?
cheers
JB
the repaint in Buff has really transformed the model!
I may have ,missed something somewhere---- but the decks are teak? and you have them
depicted errr...--- unmaintained--ie gone grey ?
-or is there another reason for the deck colour?
cheers
JB
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As I build more and more models, I look for the best way to paint teak decks that are exposed to sea water and weathering. I want the decks to look used if not less maintained like on working ships.
I have put a lot of teak on my boats myself and know this wood and how it changes color quickly as it goes. I agree that it's not perfect yet, but I'm looking:





I have put a lot of teak on my boats myself and know this wood and how it changes color quickly as it goes. I agree that it's not perfect yet, but I'm looking:





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Re: SS Hydrograaf, 1/100 3D, hydrographic ship, Royal Dutch
Progress of the assembly.
I replaced the temporary anchor chains by a more realistic model.
Painting of the boat, and installation, it took a good day and a half.
Assembly / painting of the lifebuoys.










Drawing of the oars.

I replaced the temporary anchor chains by a more realistic model.
Painting of the boat, and installation, it took a good day and a half.
Assembly / painting of the lifebuoys.










Drawing of the oars.

Pascal
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Re: SS Hydrograaf, 1/100 3D, hydrographic ship, Royal Dutch
'Some Assembly Required"! And nary even a confusing set of directions poorly translated from an Asian Language. Working these things out one of the (occasionally) satisfying mental gymnastics encountered in such a project!
Regards: Tom
Regards: Tom









