Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden wall wars
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:00 am
Funtastic...
You should try building from gold. Sails of pearl...
You should try building from gold. Sails of pearl...
>>>....- at a distance, rigging tends to look dark regardless, whether its body-colour is dark brown or black; the eye cannot process the high contrast of the dark rigging against the sky and adjusts more to give definition to the sky than to the narrow lines of rigging.
I have considered this aspect in my budding sailing project and think that I will go for either an burnt umbra-wash on black or black toned down with some burnt umbra. However, this is for a scale about four times bigger (1/160 vs. 1/700).
In summary, I would not give these comments too much weight. ...<<<
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Thank you 'wefalck, you explained very eloquently and clearly what I believed... !
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onto the final furlong ....
I wanted to try and emulate the " feel " of the sea of some of the works of Charles Edward Dixon (1872-1934)
a well known British Marine Artist )
In particular this painting
Now 2 -D art and 3-D models are not the same thing; as the viewpoint of the scene of the observer
is not single-point like a painting, but all round and indeed from above and every angle between
The water had x 4 basic coats of lighter and darker washes,
and then followed the tricky conundrum of what I am trying too depict...
Windspeed / sea-state / weather / speed of vessel / point of sail
sea-state and point of sail were already previously decided;
off-shore coastal ( English Channel !) ground-swell of around + / - 1.5 to 2 metres
and the vessel is , on a broad reach with all plain canvas set.
Windspeed for all plain canvas set could , I reckoned, would be fine at Bf Force 5-6 = 20 -25 knots of wind.
The Bretagne was known to be a very good 'sailer , achieving speeds under sail of up to 13 knots ( !! )
On my model-- as she is not trying too hard; with no studding sails set,
I reckon a speed of 8-10 knots is not unreasonable
A ship with a fine entry, ( such as a Destroyer, 'crack Ocean liner or Clipper )
with their very fine lines causes little fuss at the ' cutwater 'when at speed ,
as below
HMS Daring WW2
Cargo vessels, tugs, barges and beamy ships with blunt bows tend to 'push water ahead of them
( also known as the ship ' having-a-bone-in-her-teeth )
Overhead views of 1855 sailing ships are alas ....utopian....
so it can be hard to gauge what it might have looked like./
I can highly recommend the website of http://www.fotoflite.com , a picture library of more than 1 million overhead photos of ships since the mid-1940's
The quite small, watermarked and low res pre-view -images are a good resource to study wake patterns from all angles
-including sailing ships
These 2 images below are of the 4-masted Barque Sedov, ploughing down the English channel at some speed,
( I estimate 15 knots or more ) in a 'capful' of breeze ( I estimate windspeed around 35 knots )
she has a bone in teeth and the wake is clean ...
and had relatively fine lines
( not quite a Clipper... but fine ! ) which gives a clean wake.
Bretagne for all her good sailing qualities was no 'Clipper... or a Sedov...
so a fairer comparison / inspiration would be the large Italian 1930 sail training ship Amerigo Vespucci.
Bretagne was slightly shorter but a 1000 tonnes more displacement-- so near enough !
Images below show the 'Vespucci in much more wind but carrying far less canvas, -I estimate her speed at 6-8 knots,
==> note the amount of disturbed water ahead, alongside and astern!
( as those gargantuan bones-in-teeth , to the unknowing , would seem unlikely ! )
I am still working on the water, ( tiny bits of spray)
but the overall status quo is as below;
