Calling all USS Nevada BB-36 and USS Oklahoma BB-37 fans

[SeanF]

Sorry for being unclear; by "bow shape" I meant it in a broader sense including the forward casemates since they're all interrelated. (i.e. where and how the deck notches occur, how the hull curves intersect the casemate facets, etc.)

Hull stern concavity... is that something that should be visible above the waterline, or only below?

- Sean F.

[Rick E Davis]

While at NARA I came across a view of USS NEVADA in the background of another ship's photo at PHNY on 19 March 1942. NEVADA was being repaired post-attack. The overhead view I posted earlier of NEVADA in the PHNY, showed her moored to the other side of the pier seen in this photo,

Not much new here, with parts of the ship blocked or out of the frame, but does give a different aspect view of the aft area. The empty aft quad 1,1-in "tub" can be made out. When paired with the overhead views available, it does help to understand this area.



The view of NEVADA dated as taken on 28 March 1942, nine days after the above photo.

[SeanF]

Nice find!

Regarding the overhead shot:
Setting aside whatever is happening on turret #2 (which looks like a big, white circle, ala cruiser-style markings... but considering all the fire damage who knows what that really is...) does it look to anyone else like turret 3 might have a full white top under the catapult? Seems a little darker than turret 4, but definitely lighter than anything else around... and we do have that one photo where Maryland's #3 top is the same color as #4... perhaps Nevada had both of her aft turret tops white?

- Sean F.

[Rick E Davis]

The big circle is either rope or other material stowed on the roof of turret #2. Don't read too much from the March 1942 images of USS NEVADA for her painting on 7 December 1941, since she is in the process of repairs and likely doing some repainting as they proceed.

Look at the 10 December 1941 images posted earlier for images representative of her appearance on 7 December 1941.

[Jeff Sharp]

Came across some pretty cool onboard pics of Nevada dated 12/13/41 showing detail on the portside aft gun tub and the surrounding area.




Splicing both photos together give a better overall view.


It's interesting to compare these photos with this Sept. '34 photo of the same area. Notice the stowed anchor and the cage are exactly as they were in 1934. Also notice the projector booth was raised up to the boat deck. Probably to make room for the gun tub.

[MartinJQuinn]

Nevada after repairs, PSNY, December 1942.

USS Nevada

[Jeff Sharp]

This image dated Nov.26, 1941 shows USS Oklahoma in dry dock #1. She was dry-docked immediately following USS Arizona exit from that dry dock. Both ships were dry-docked to repair damage sustained when the two ships collided.
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 96615.html

Here is a crop of the photo. It's interesting that her #2 and #3 turret tops are lighter than her #1 and #4 tops.

[Jeff Sharp]

Came across this photo of Nevada date 9/9/41. A couple of things jumped out at me. First, the 5-D paint is in sad shape. Second, I've never seen a paravane stowed on an actual turret like this one on turret #1. Usually the paravanes were stowed on barbette #2 of all the BB's. That prompted me to look further to see if it was there during the attack.


Here is one of the few stills I can find of the paravane during the attack.


Here you can see the paravane attached to the #1 turret as the crew is cleaning up the ship after the attack. Also notice the painted deck.

[ArizonaBB39]

Nice catch Jeff, now I'm curious if Oklahoma stowed hers similarly or if Nevada was the only one. I'll make sure to add this to my model, if I can ever find one.

(If anyone has the 1/700 Blue Ridge 1941 USS Nevada they're willing to sell please contact me!)

Good note about the painted deck too. If I remember correctly Nevada and Tennessee were the only battleships with painted decks, right?

[SeanF]

Very interesting... seems Nevada painted her deck sometime after September 9, 1941.

Agreed, unexpected to see the paravane on the turret itself. But not surprising to see that the wound up in different locations on different ships at this time period. Seems like, similar to the liferaft positions, each ship was left to their own devices as to where to stash theirs.

Where did you find these photos? First I've seen them!

- Sean F.

[Jeff Sharp]

Abram, if you can�t find a kit, maybe you can go this route. https://www.shapeways.com/shops/modelfu ... der%5D=asc
I�d be very interested to see how one of these build up.

Sean, I�m always combing the Net for pics. Not exactly sure where these particular ones came from.

[ArizonaBB39]

Jeff,

I've never seen that before, but it looks like it would be a good option. My only issue is how I'd get the wood deck, it looks like the parts with it the planks are massively over scale, but I can order the pieces without the planking, but then she looks like shes got a steel deck instead of wood. I have a message in to Blue Ridge Models/Freetime Hobbies to see if they have anything left of their 1941 Nevada class kits.

[ArizonaBB39]

Well I bought the hull and deck pieces from Shapeways. I have to say I was pretty optimistic about it, but now that I have it in hand I'm pretty disappointed. I have a set of plans, no idea how accurate they are, but they seem pretty close. So I compared the Shapeways hull against the drawings and the Blue Ridge kit. The Shapeways hull is very wrong in the bow, and due to the nature of the material would be rather difficult to fix. The Blue Ridge kit isn't correct either, but would be much easier to fix. Then lengths are slightly different as well, but I didn't measure to see which is correct. The turret barbetts on the Shapeways are different diameter than the Blue Ridge kit as well. Of course the Shapeways kit also has the print artifacts all over it which would need to be smoothed out. I apologize for the quality of the photos.

I can't say I recommend the Shapeways kit unfortunately, unless you want to do A LOT of extra work. The Blue Ridge kit looks pretty good in comparison, sadly it is out of production.

[ArizonaBB39]

David, thanks for that, I knew they were different 1&4 vs 2&3, but the diameters between the two kits is different too. I'll need to measure the kits to see which one is closer.

[Jeff Sharp]

USS Nevada April 1, 1941. Colorized but still some amazing detail can be seen on her.

[taskforce48]

While doing some research, my eye spied something of interest in the background of the subject image.

The Image in Question is the Oklahoma getting some yard work done in April of 1931. Somewhat obscured, we see the Nevada behind her.

Now, the Hi-rez copy of this image, you can blow up the Nevada's stern pretty well and while I was oogling the detail of the Okie's Mainmast something caught my eye.

What the heck is on her stern deck where he catapult would be? We even see(presumably) the catapult sitting on the Pier. Seems excessive scaffolding for installing the said catapult. It's not a dockside piece as you can see it has stays attached to her Port side.

Quarantined Mind Thoughts-
They were Drilling for Oil...... Probably not

Launching V-2's...... A little early

Did the Navy ever try to dock a dirigible to a Battleship ie. like the Patoka?


Thoughts?

Matt

[DougC]

A mooring mast for dirigibles?

[taskforce48]

The Nevada�s final resting place has been found.

National Geographic Article

Matt

[ArizonaBB39]

Hi everyone, if you've wanted a 1941 Nevada or Oklahoma Freetime Hobbies has a few back in stock. It took a while of me bugging them, but they found enough parts in their warehouse to put a few kits together. Act now before they're gone again (I am in no way affiliated with Freetime)

USS Nevada 1941

USS Oklahoma 1941

[gunfighter]

Would like to thank Jeff Sharp for his pics at the top of page 14. I'm building a Arizona right now but Jeff has answered a question that came up over on the Zona page about deck lights. As to if they were still in use in 41. I'v been able to find pics of the Arizona showing they were still there in the middle of 40. Your pics show that deck lights were still in use in Aug. 41 on the Nevada, so in all likely hood still on the Arizona as well as other ships at the time. Also Jeff's pic of the Penn in dry dock about the color of the turret tops. Have pics showing Arizona with #1 not painted #2 painted and #3 black and #4 painted. The point is that pics here on the Nevada page show that during 41 the tops of the turrets on the ships were changing throught that year. Now if someone would come up with an answer to my question over on the Arizona page. Thanks