Calling all Yamato (大和) and Musashi (武蔵) fans

[Brian 1]

Ok, Ill look through here, but I am fluent in Japanese if you could locate the link I would appreciate it!

[Sutho]

For those interested there is a new model in the latest images section of the new tool Yamato. It appears to reflect exactly what I recently saw in Kure at the museum. There are changes like braces around the AA weapons. The bridge structure is totally different to the old tool kit.

[mpgl62]

Maybe this

http://www.watakan.net/yamato/research/ ... ation.html

[baseballbrat]

For those interested there is a new model in the latest images section of the new tool Yamato. It appears to reflect exactly what I recently saw in Kure at the museum. There are changes like braces around the AA weapons. The bridge structure is totally different to the old tool kit.

Can you add a link to this post?

Thanks!

Jim

[bucketfoot-al]

Maybe this

http://www.watakan.net/yamato/research/ ... ation.html

Yes! That's it. The diagrams are not all on one page like they were on the other site, but its the same diagrams.

[Flick]

Thanks for the link, It's a valuable resource for all Yamato fans and modellers.
Somehow it made me reconsider again the discussion about the color of the deck on apr 7 1945
I was convinced that the deck was painted with mixture of soot and flame retardant for the pass through Bungo channel, like for the Sho-go, but Im no longer so strong in favor for that option.
We can all conclude that for the pass through San Bernandino strait, the deck was painted with mentioned combination of soot and flame retardant. Below are the pictures, and there's also some written evidence
P69 10 Shoichi No. chapter of the strategy (quote start) takes a word of command 10:30 "weather deck Fill", during the voyage, was painted black of non-flammable paint on the outside of the whole ship. (Snip) it is was in preparation for the night. In the sea of ??(snip) night, to a large leap while it takes full advantage of the night of darkness, good clothes of ninja soluble in darkness. (End quote)

Here's the photo compilation.


Then we have later photos, that show yamato during march and april 1945
From the high altitude photos, the deck really looks a bit darker than the rest of the ship, and also compared with the battleship Ise (although different wood used for deck). But on the photo taken during bombing in inland sea, and photos taken on deck just several hours before its final voyage, the deck seems uncoverd, much lighter in color than the rest. So i presume it wasn't painted until she left Tokuyama. There's one another photo taken on 9:30, March 28, 1945 on which deck looks a bit darker, but i was unable to find that photo.


And finally we have photos taken during final battle. The deck looks pretty dark on all of them, we have some testimonial/recollection that the deck looked jet black but there is no other proof that it was painted after departure from Tokuyama. I've also found this quote about cleaning the deck after she departed, so the soot camo wood be illogical.
In the literature, battleship former vice captain, "Nomura Jiro" of Yamato copyright Yomiuri Shimbun published "sea of ??lamentation"
To P49 ~ P50, in the (quote start) departed after the ship, in preparation for the open sea voyage, and lashing the movement of the ship, washing the open-air deck that has been dirty for work rinse with seawater, Was tidy clean up the ship each part so as not to disturb the combat work. (Quote end)


So, what to conclude now? Things that go in favor of "black deck" during Ten-go are: testiomonial that says deck looked black, photos taken during the last battle on which it really looks pretty dark and its resemblance with those from Sho-go. High altitude photos maybe...
Things that go against the theory: no written evidence of any orders, logs or so, photos taken on the deck just several hours before operation, cleaning of the deck after departure, and maybe the thing i'm going to post below. The hinoki deck after several moths becomes really grey in appearence, and when the deck is wet it looks really dark, almost black. So my guess would be that the color of the deck was dark during final hours but not because it was painted, but because it was wet. Here are the photos from mikasa memorial museum (photos aren't mine, found on image search)

Mikasa hinoki deck dry (new-old) sunny day is right, cloudy is left


Mikasa hinoki deck wet, cloudy day


Then again, there is this photo, same weathered wet hinoki but it doesnt seem as dark (sunny day maybe?)


Regards!
Alan

[bucketfoot-al]

I'll go with Mitsuru Yoshida's statement in "Requiem for Battleship Yamato" that the deck was "painted jet black". He was a crewmember. He was there. He wrote his book in 1946. That to me is direct evidence. What substance was used is open for debate, but the soot theory seems plausible and logical. And would have been the easiest to execute on short notice ...

[Flick]

So Yoshida's recollection was that it was painted, not only looked jet black? (i don't own this book so if anyone can post original quote, it would be very helpful)
Let's presume that the deck indeed was covered with mixture of flame retardant and soot, what was the purpose? perhaps to make ship less visible during her night dash through Bungo strait, but the size of her wake was pretty big though, or maybe to make deck less flammable...

Second thing is when it was done? The deck looks very light on the photos taken on board, so it maybe after she departed Tokuyama bay (apr 6 after 3pm)?

[bucketfoot-al]

I believe I have quoted Yoshida's exact phrase earlier in this thread (a few years back). Don't have the book handy right now.

[Flick]

many thanks I really like her more with dark deck, it looks more mythical than she already is, but to me historical accuracy is no1 priority when building models... Soon I'll be back to work to complete the build

Here's my thank you, one wallpaper yamato ten go, I made from tamiya musashi box-art, and the profile that I corrected using one from wiki. If anyone wants full hd and print version of it, you can contact me on pm.

Regards,
Alan

[baseballbrat]

Interesting new Fujimi Kit!!!

https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagorie ... &so=a&pr=1

This is a very reliable source to get this kit from. I use them frequently!!!

[Timmy C]

That DX kit has been available since June 2014: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10275254

[cplchanb]

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10373726

this is more interesting... a Kii
I dont think its ever been done before save for the A-150 version of their Yamato some years back

now if Tamiya did a 1/350 of that I would be first in line

[baseballbrat]

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10373726

this is more interesting... a Kii
I dont think its ever been done before save for the A-150 version of their Yamato some years back

now if Tamiya did a 1/350 of that I would be first in line

So what do you get for the whopping price of $28USD?

[Sutho]

Not sure if this has come up before but does anyone know what time period the single 20mm or similar AA guns were on Yamato that are in the older version of the 1/350 Tamiya kit.

[Blueboysixnine]

Ive gotten the metal barrels for my premium yamato that also comes with 20 projectiles too. It says to install them as per the picture but the picture is of a fully modeled turret interior, whats the deal?

[baseballbrat]

Any comments about this.................

https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagorie ... &so=a&pr=1

[marengtech]

Any comments about this.................

https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagorie ... &so=a&pr=1

The pics of the model look suspiciously like 3D rendering...anybody else?

[GewoonWouter]

Well, with a Tamiya new tool Yamato and a Pontos upgrade in the line up, ready to get started May 1st, this thread is of great value...but so many pages and so much reading

regarding that Shinano kit, looks cool, but I have to agree with marengtech, it looks like a 3D render or they photoshopped the plastic model heavily

Cheers

[Timmy C]

No, it's the actual kit. Not sure what comments Baseballbrat is looking for, but yes, Hasegawa did recently release that new-mold 1/450 Shinano: http://www.hasegawa-model.co.jp/product/z03/

You can even see some minor seams in the photos if you want evidence that it's a real kit.