Calling all USS North Carolina BB-55 & USS Washington BB-56 fans

[MartinJQuinn]

You may find something here

[jester63]

Thanks Martin! So is this http://www.usswashington.com/armnt.htm the late 1942 modified AA fit then?

[Dick J]

The armament in that drawing on the main page looks like 1945, not late 1942.

[ArizonaBB39]

Hi all. I'm almost done with a drawing im doing of the North Carolina in her MS12mod scheme and need help. I'm having a problem determining the pattern on the starboard side superstructure. Any help would be appreciated. I found this model http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html is that close enough for me to use as a reference? Thanks in advance

[Dick J]

I found this model http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html is that close enough for me to use as a reference? Thanks in advance

Based on this photo http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/015537.jpg and comparing the hull painting, I would be inclined to question the superstructure as well. While this next photo http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/015519.jpg is tagged as "August 1941", it doesn't seem to match the modified MS-1 or MS-2 (depending on which source you reference) that North Carolina was reputed to have carried at the time. But it does show that when the superstructure was in the MS-12 (mod), the wave pattern on the hull was crisp and clear. Unfortunately, MS-12 (mod) was not as codefied as the later MS-31/32/33 patterns, MS-12 (mod) being largely at the discression of the ship and yard, so we don't have "official" pattern sheets to reference for any ship. Without a ton of photos (next to impossible, considering the paranoia - read "photo-phobia" - of the time), we are left to interpret fuzzier, more distant shots in order to approximate the patterns. I doubt that anyone will truely "get it right". On the flip side, it also means that whatever you do, it will be hard for anyone to prove you wrong.

[MartinJQuinn]

The best interpretation of the Ms12 patter is in Randall Shoker's book on the North Carolina.

[ddoyle]

I thought I had located a pdf of the North Carolina's booklet of General Plans (or, MAYBE it was Washington's) online some time ago, but I cannot find same in my book marks.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
David Doyle

[BSteinIPMS]

Do any of you expert researchers have, or know of, a hull plating diagram or shell expansion diagram for North Carolina or Washington? This would be an excellent reference for detailing the hull.

--Bob Steinbrunn

[Tracy White]

Bob e-mailed me and I sent him this link already: http://www.marylandsilver.com/world_war ... leship.htm

[BSteinIPMS]

Bob e-mailed me and I sent him this link already: http://www.marylandsilver.com/world_war ... leship.htm

Thanks very much, Tracy, I appreciate the link. Although spendy it appears Mr. Borchers, Sr., at the Maryland Silver Company has just what I need. There's nothing quite like the original hull plating diagram or shell expansion diagram to make a model ship look like a real one: strakes of plating, hull lift rings along the bow, intakes, outlets, propeller lifting hard points, and such. I spent quite a lot of time on this 1/192 model of Kidd doing just that, all from plans and photos. Wish I'd had a plating diagram at that time.

Cheers!

--Bob Steinbrunn

[dsk]

That model is simply spectacular. Is there a link to more pics somewhere?

[Guest]

That model is simply spectacular. Is there a link to more pics somewhere? :)

Hi DSK,

I hadn't meant to divert this thread away from North Carolina by showing my 1/192 model of Kidd, but rather to show what hull detail could be added by having a hull plating diagram or shell expansion diagram. Pretty much the same thing.

Anyway, to answer your question, if you google my name and "USS Kidd" you'll come up with a number of hits, these among them:

http://www.steelnavy.com/BlueJacketKiddBSteinbrunn.htm

http://www.steelnavy.com/SteinbrunnFletcher.htm

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

Cheers!

--Bob Steinbrunn

[BSteinIPMS]

That model is simply spectacular. Is there a link to more pics somewhere?

Hi dsk,

I hadn't meant to divert this thread away from North Carolina by showing a photo of my 1/192 Kidd, but rather to show what hull detail was possible by having access to a hull plating diagram or shell expansion diagram. Both pretty much the same thing.

Anyway, to answer your question, if you google my name and "USS Kidd" you'll come up with a number of hits, these among them:

http://www.steelnavy.com/BlueJacketKiddBSteinbrunn.htm

http://www.steelnavy.com/SteinbrunnFletcher.htm

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html





Cheers!

--Bob Steinbrunn

[ddoyle]

Anyway, to answer your question, if you google my name and "USS Kidd" you'll come up with a number of hits, these among them:


--Bob Steinbrunn[/quote]

Yep, and you can also Google his name and "M5A1" and find an equally impressive tank (for those interested)!

Bob, I've misplaced your new (as of a couple years ago) email address. Please drop me a note, there is a Tennessee boy that would like to pick you brain on some things.

Thanks,
David Doyle

[dsk]

Wow, that's all I can say. But it must have made you sick when the goons accidentally busted the mast off!

Anyway, getting back on topic, I really want to build a model of Washington, but from what I'm reading here the model in the Trumpeter box is actually North Carolina. I'm not interested into hyper-accuracy like recontouring hull shapes and such, but is it a relatively simple process to modify the kit into a reasonably correct Washington, regardless of year?

[BSteinIPMS]

Has anyone here built the Iron Shipwright 1/350 resin kit of North Carolina? It's my next project and while the hull looks fairly nice there is much to be replaced by aftermarket items in resin and photoetch.

--Bob Steinbrunn

[CWatson]

Anyway, getting back on topic, I really want to build a model of Washington, but from what I'm reading here the model in the Trumpeter box is actually North Carolina. I'm not interested into hyper-accuracy like recontouring hull shapes and such, but is it a relatively simple process to modify the kit into a reasonably correct Washington, regardless of year?

This is for the 1/700 Washington boxed kit that contains a early 1942 N.C.
I do not have my notes anymore on my build but the main changes are:

#1 Filling in the extra 20mm and .50 cal mounting holes on the deck by filling them with plastic rod.

#2 Adding a 20mm on each side just aft of B turret so there is three on each side. You will have to shave off the shielding from the deck and replace it with a longer one from plastic strip. See my earlier post on this thread for pictures.

#3 Raise forward funnel 1.5mm and replace spotlights, 1x each side on the aft end of the funnel platform with 1x20mm AA gun each.

#4 Change radars on the main gun directors.

#5 Re arrange life rafts on structure and turret

#6 Paint in early Ms 12 Mod for Atlantic use. N.C. and Washington had slightly different schemes. Also Washington's main gun blast bags appear black on A and B turrets and canvas or light grey on C turret.

CW

[Felix C]

Has anyone here built the Iron Shipwright 1/350 resin kit of North Carolina? It's my next project and while the hull looks fairly nice there is much to be replaced by aftermarket items in resin and photoetch.

--Bob Steinbrunn

Compare the white metal castings to what is available from equivalent scale and model plastic injected. That tends to be the irksome point for me.

[MartinJQuinn]

I really want to build a model of Washington, but from what I'm reading here the model in the Trumpeter box is actually North Carolina.

So one could build the "Washington" out of the box and build a 1942 North Carolina?

[Dick J]

I really want to build a model of Washington, but from what I'm reading here the model in the Trumpeter box is actually North Carolina.

So one could build the "Washington" out of the box and build a 1942 North Carolina?

From what I have seen of the 1/700 kit, the light AA arrangement is North Carolina's, not Washington's.