At 'Em Arizona Fans!

[Hank45]

What was the length of the boards? Than you for your answer Hank45

[Hippy Ed]

The planking was staggered. Also planks were used to frame the deck edge and around barbettes and other deck structures. This way the planks did not but against metal but could be faired in against another board.These images give you some idea:

http://www.usstexasbb35.com/All-Photos/ ... 0169.6.jpg
http://www.usswisconsin.org/Pictures/19 ... athing.jpg
http://www.usswisconsin.org/Pictures/19 ... 0BB-63.JPG
http://www.usswisconsin.org/Pictures/19 ... 0(OBA).jpg
http://www.usswisconsin.org/Pictures/19 ... lf-War.jpg
http://www.usswisconsin.org/Pictures/19 ... 367%20.jpg
http://www.usswisconsin.org/Pictures/19 ... %20Bow.JPG

Hope this helps

Awesome Thanks for sharing these with us Charles

[Hank45]

What was the measurement from the deck to the top of the gunwales? Thank you for your help Hank45

[Tracy White]

Probably around six inches.
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l? ... f%26sa%3DG
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l? ... 9264fdd1b0

If you want something more firm than that you'll probably have to go through the microfilm at NARA.

[Hank45]

Do you have a size for the mooring winches located forward of turret #1 and alongside turret #3. Thanks for your help Hank45

[Tracy White]

"big"
What are you looking for?

[Hank45]

I am looking for the size because I am going to build a 1/350 model of Arizona and I need to know the H-W-L so I can scale them down. I have been reading Mr. Landrums build of Arizona and he built the winches but he did not give any dimentions. Thanks for your help Hank45

[Tracy White]

Since there are likely to be other details you want, I would suggest picking up the Floating Drydock TFW series plans for BB-39 Arizona. The 1/192nd scale plans are only $18, and it should give you all of the details you need (albeit there are a couple of detail errors they've declined to fix).

[Charles Landrum]

Hank45,

Crafting the line handling winches was more artistic than engineering. I studied what photos I could find of the winches on the AZ, none were very clear. So I also studied photos on the other battleships of the period, since I reasoned while there might be variations on a theme the mechanics were the same. I used the drawings in the Stillwell book and enlarged them to 1/350 to get the rough dimensions and placement. I then dug around in my box of scrap plastic when I built these and settle on what looked right and what I had on hand. I did use my stock of Evergreen Styrene rod as well.
With that said, I dusted off my research folder and took some measurements from the copies of the Stillwell drawings:

Base plate - 5mm x 5mm
Tallest projection above deck 2.5mm
winch drums 1.6mm in diam (.062 inches - which is offered by Evergreen Styrene)

I am afraid that is the best that I can do without cracking open the case of the AZ.

Charles

[Hank45]

"THANK YOU" Charles Landrum from Hank45

[Charlestonguy]

According to the date chronology of Mr. Stlllwell's book Arizona on page 320 he states that Arizona entered the panama canal on 17 Aug. 1934 from the pacific to atlantic and then on page 321 she returned back through on 24-25 Octpber 1934 from atlantic to pacific. I hope this helps you, Hank45

P.S. According to the October date that was the last time the Ariz entered the canal. Hank45

I just received some updated information from someone who was on the ship when crossing. This is from his son;
"Reference to Fleet Problem XVII, May 1936. The Fleet passed through to the Caribbean and then turned around and passed back to the Pacific to see how quickly it could be done. They then went down to the Equator and did the Shellback and Pollywog thing."
There were additional crossing that I have not pin pointed the dates, (one date puts her in the Atlantic coast area on or about 6-9 September 1934 when she was damaged by a hurricane) but May 1936 date does seem to be the last crossing.

[Hank45]

Charlestonguy, I don"t think we will ever know everything the Ariz. did. There must have been a lot of official paperwork and logbooks destroyed by the fire. Sometimes when you talk to the the relatives of the sailors who were aboard the Ariz. you learn a lot more personel information than you find in books. My opinion Hank45

[Charlestonguy]

Okay I�m really trying to get a handle on the paint codes used for both the pre war (pre 1941) and the Pearl Harbor scheme (Dec 1941)
I prefer using Testors because it�s easier to find local.

As I understand it the pre war was #5, deck was #20, with Teak for the wood?
Will FS 36320 Testors work for #5 and will 35042 work for #20?

For the Pearl (Dec 1941) colors 5S FS35044 with 20B 35042 and Teak?

I found the codes on http://www.shipcamouflage.com/us_navy1.htm

[Tracy White]

As I understand it the pre war was #5, deck was #20, with Teak for the wood?

It's better to say #5 Standard Navy Gray and #20 Standard Deck gray as there were a number of paints that had 5 or 20 in their designation.
For example, 5-D Dark Gray, 5-S Sea Blue, 5-N Navy Blue, 20-B Deck Blue, 20-G Deck Green.

If it helps any this paint system pre-dated the FS system and that's why there are no direct matches.

And lest you think I'm ignoring your questions, I use WEM colorcoats so I don't have any idea as to which MM colors might be close. Others can answer that for you.

[Charles Landrum]

Typically I use either the OOP Pollyscale acrylics or the WEM Colourcoats. However for pre war Standard Navy Gray FS 16473 (Aircraft Gray) is a close match. FS 36081 (Euro Gray 1) is a good match for Standard deck gray.

[Charlestonguy]

What is the best thinner to use with WEM paint?
Is the #20 deck grey the same from pre 1941 to 1944?
Thanks for the help!

[MartinJQuinn]

What is the best thinner to use with WEM paint?

Lacquer Thinner

[Tracy White]

Is the #20 deck grey the same from pre 1941 to 1944?

Possibly even later; the 1945 neutral gray camouflage shift refers to #20 Deck Gray, as does a 1943 copy of "Instructions for Painting and Cementing Vessels of the United States Navy." We don't know for sure whether or not it was ever reformulated, but the designation stayed the same at least. That's not always a good indicator, however, as 5-N meant Navy Blue from 1941 to 1945, at which point it meant Navy Gray and Navy Blue was changed to 5-NB.

[Charlestonguy]

I placed an order for WEM 5N and #20 for my 1944 BB-38, so the #20 should be good for my Arizona as well right?
I plan to build one (BB 39) pre war and one for Dec 1941.

Thanks Martin for the thinner answer.

[Tracy White]

It's a can of worms.

1941 was a time of great change for Naval camouflage.

The safest for you would be Camouflage Measure 1 with natural wood decks, and 5-D Dark Gray (not deck gray) on the horizontal metal surfaces. We know for a fact she was in this from around June to at least November. However, there is disagreement after that; she could have remained in Measure 1's original colors or have been repainted in 5-S Sea Blue or 5-N Navy Blue. The research to fully answer the questions has not been fully complete and may not be for a couple of years, if ever even.