Calling all HMS Nelson & HMS Rodney fans

[Aop Aur]

For the rigging, you could try Uni Caenis fishing thread, or Infini model's Ultra fine lycra.

Aop

[One-Oh-Four]

Rodney's Supermarine Walrus stowage & funnel interior.

Hi gents,

Where was the Walrus stowed on Rodney? To keep it sitting on the catapult doesn't seem to be a good idea in heavy weather or when the main battery is fired. The same goes for having it stowed on the deck near the aircraft crane... I don't think the aircraft can always be flown off prior to firing the main battery. Or didn't Rodney have a permanent aircraft detachment attached to her?

Secondly: I have the Pontos 1/200 set for Rodney. Included are some walkways for the inside of the funnel. Unfortunately halfway down the builder is supposed to fit a blanking plate. Are there any photos or plans that show what pipes/ducts exit in the funnel?

Thank you in advance!!
Cheers,
Erik B.

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

The Walrus was always stowed on the catapult, they really had no other option. Far from ideal, maybe that's the reason why Nelson never got an aircraft on board.

[One-Oh-Four]

The Walrus was always stowed on the catapult, they really had no other option. Far from ideal, maybe that's the reason why Nelson never got an aircraft on board.

Thank you Maarten!! On the cat it will be, then...

Do you have any documentation on the inside lay-out of the funnel?.....

[Maarten Sch�nfeld]

Do you have any documentation on the inside lay-out of the funnel?.....

Not for the Rodney or Nelson. But you may refer to the general layout as researched by EJ Foeth for his very exquisite Hood project: http://www.ontheslipway.com/?p=1535

[One-Oh-Four]

Do you have any documentation on the inside lay-out of the funnel?.....

Not for the Rodney or Nelson. But you may refer to the general layout as researched by EJ Foeth for his very exquisite Hood project: http://www.ontheslipway.com/?p=1535

Ah, great resource indeed!! I'll be making a Hodney / Rood funnel, then!

[chazi]

hello
Could somebody tell me which set for Trumpeter 1:200 HMS Nelson model is better. MK1 or pontos (both with deck)?

thanks
Chris

[EJFoeth]

https://www.history.navy.mil/search.htm ... &category=

[Mgunns]

Okay, I am starting the Trumpeter 1/200 Rodney. I want to do it during the time frame of the battle of the Denmark Strait. I have searched this site and others and can't seem to nail down the color of Rodney during this time. Lots of photo's in the camouflage scheme but only distant and blurry photo's prior. Does anyone on this site know what color it was during this time frame?

Thanks

[Cag]

Hi All

Hi Mgunns, as far as I can remember Rodney was on an escort mission crammed with refit parts as she was also on her way to the United States for an overhaul.

I would guess that Rodney was in standard Home Fleet grey as any early 'Flotta scheme' would have disappeared and the early disruptive designs were only just coming into use (Queen Elizabeth and Suffolk etc).

I'm not sure how worn it would have appeared not having access to her ships log to see when her crew last 'painted ship' and I guess it depends on how you wish to model her.

I think there would be differences in fit too like the two pom poms fitted aft on the shelter deck would be absent (fitted in 1942) the one on B turret too, and no 20mm guns and certain radars would be different 279 on Rodney etc.

I hope this helps a little
Best wishes
Cag.

[Mgunns]

Hi CAG:

Thanks for the info on Rodney. I will leave those two pom pom's off. There is scant information out there about how the ship looked during that time frame. I will study the photo's I do have and figure out which way to go.

[Cag]

Hi All

Hi Mark, you're welcome wish I could help more. I think the pom poms were fitted in place of the after 6 inch gun directors but someone with better knowledge may be able to help.

There are some nice pics online at the Imperial War Museum London which may help further.

Best wishes
Cag.

[Richard Durham]

Parts break down and instructions for new Trumpeter 1/700 HMS Nelson (late war fit) are posted on Hobby Search Japan sales site (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10495998). Looks like Trumpeter has upped their game. Separate pieces for winches and ammo lockers, slide molded bridge and 01 level of superstructure.

[grayson72]

I have the Nelson kit but would rather build the Rodney, how difficult would it be to build the Nelson as the Rodney do you fellas think?

[tjstoneman]

NELSON and RODNEY were never identical - it depends how accurate you wish to be, and what period you wish to represent RODNEY. As always, good phots and references will help. Assuming you are referring to the 1/700 kit listed as "HMS Nelson 1944" (which is a misnomer - the kit represents the 1945 fit!), the main changes would be the omission of the four quadruple 40mm Bofors mountings and their platforms, the reistatement of the armoured 16" director, replacement of the crane with a bent-arm one and moving it inboard and revision of the light AA fit. Depending on the period chosen, RDF (radar) antennae would also need changing, and a catapult fitting on "X" turret, the shields omitting on the 4.7" HA guns and boat stowage changing. Camouflage schemes varied over time, too. When you've done all that, Trumpeter will probably produce their kit of RODNEY!

[grayson72]

Thanks for the informative reply! The kit I was actually referring to was the Trumpeter 1/200 kit.

[tjstoneman]

Sorry - you didn't mention the scale - and since the 1/700 version is the most recent, I assumed that' was the one you meant! Whilst I have not seen the 1/200 version, I believe the 1/700 one is basically a scaled-down version of Trumpeter's large one, and thus the same detail applies - and, of course, there is already a 1/200 RODNEY, so purchasing that would make building a replica easier - although less easy on the bank balance!

[William]

I just purchased the new 1/700 HMS Nelson by Trumpeter. Although the detail is terrific, I was disappointed by the fact that Trumpeter omitted the lower hull. I hate waterline kits and was looking forward to having a full hull model of this ship. Trumpeter really let me down with this issue as I was not expecting it. Trumpeter has always given a full hull option, and I was expecting that consistency.

But, like I said, the detail is excellent! It is far, far better than the Tamiya and Meng offerings, although I could graft a Meng lower hull onto the Trumpeter model.

Bill Morrison

[tjstoneman]

Some like full hull, others do not. Trumpeter's NEW YORK in 1/700 is another which doesn't offer the full hull option.

As usual, Trumpeter's research leaves a little to be desired - on the other hand, at least they do produce a steady(ish) stream of ship kits which, with a bit of modelling (instead of just assembling), can be turned into reasonable replicas.

Apart from the incorrect box title "Nelson 1944" (she is depicted with 4 x 4 40mm Bofors, Admiralty Standard camouflage and the later 20mm Oerlikon fit, none of which were in place until she left New York in early 1945), there are several other minor, but obvious errors:
No SR.RDF (radar) is provided for the forward LA.DCT (Assembly 4); odd, given that the box art depicts the correct type (RDF Type 274) on that DCT (as well as (erroneously) on the after one).
No AW.RDF is provided on fore or main masts (they should have AW.RDF Type 279).
There is a yard provided for the lower mainmast (Part C13) - this had been removed by 1945.
What appears to be a torpedo loading crane (part PE-13) is provided, and depicted in the vertical position.This crane would only be thus if loading torpedoes, in harbour. In any case, NELSON's torpedo tubes were removed in 1942!
Two rectangular vertical plates are provided to fit either side of the funnel (Parts F2). I can find no photographs showing these.

None of these errors are ones which cannot be corrected by the average modeller, but they still show a lack of research.

[William]

Granted there are some minor problems with the kit, as there are with all kits. But, not being familiar with the 1/700 USS New York and knowing from my extensive experience with Trumpeter 1/700 scale ships, I was shocked by the lack of a lower hull. Trumpeter has always provided a lower hull for the full hull option in each of their ship kits, which I have always appreciated. I am concerned that this might signal a new trend with their kits, meaning that I am done modeling them. I detest waterline kits, feeling that they constitute only half of a model. That is why I do not waste my time on Tamiya kits or the non-full hull kits from other manufacturers.

Bill