The Ship Model Forum

jgrease wrote:It had to be large because of Soviet technology. Remember when the pilot defected to Japan with a Mig-25 and they found this "state of the art" fighter was loaded with '60s electronics? Same idea here. That stack probably vents heat from all of the vacuum tubes inside...
Great work as always Dave.

Now that's an interesting point. According to John Jordans Illustration of Kiev in "Soviet Warships" It shows, all be it, in basic form that the hangar space goes around the area of the superstructure below decks?
Dave Wooley

Looking amazing! It really shows the bewildering amount of detail that needs to be scratchbuilt on a modern warship of this size and complexity.
One question - do you know the reasoning behind the NATO codenames for Soviet radar and electronics? They often seem to be related to the actual appearance of the equipment, "Tee Plinth" for example which is a T-shaped structure on a pedestal, unlike the rather random codenames assigned to, for example, aircraft and missiles.

Mind breaking the details on those radars , keep up the outstanding work Dave

EPinniger wrote:Looking amazing! It really shows the bewildering amount of detail that needs to be scratchbuilt on a modern warship of this size and complexity.
One question - do you know the reasoning behind the NATO codenames for Soviet radar and electronics? They often seem to be related to the actual appearance of the equipment, "Tee Plinth" for example which is a T-shaped structure on a pedestal, unlike the rather random codenames assigned to, for example, aircraft and missiles.

Your quite right appearance was the principle method applied by Nato in the absence of official names. For others like SAM missiles deployed to warships Nato names such as "Goblet" {SA-N-3} were used, why Goblet or Goa for the SA-N-1 I really don't know. Many of the Russian names are now known, yet even to this day the Nato code remains in use and is occasionally added to. Curiously even the Russians use the Nato Codes. But on the newer vessels entering service like the Steregushchiy class it now appears the Russian names are used identifying weapon and sensor fits.
Personally I like the old Nato code, at least you knew what you were looking at . Good question thanks for asking.
Dave Wooley

Looking good as always Dave!

yeah, love that soldering and detail!

I don't quite agree on your view of the NATO designations though. In one aspect you are correct, as in a general way it shows you what you were looking at. Yet in another aspect they are totally wrong. For example the missiles. If they said a ship had the SS-N-14 Silex, then they were way too general. In reality those ships carried either Metel or Rastrub (Nuclear or torpedo equipped). So all together they designated three totally different missiles with the same designation.
If you use the Russian designation, then at least you know which subdivision there was. And whether they meant the downgraded (export) version or the real weapon. For example if they call the SAM equipment of a ship the Shtil, then you know its meant for export. If they call it the Uragan, then you know that's the same equipment, yet for the Russian Navy.
I don't really think there is a logic behind the NATO designations though. One thing I wonder, did the Russians have a same system of designation for the NATO missiles? Or was their intelligence that good that they knew all the official designations?
As for Stereguchiy, that's logical since there are no NATO designations known for most of her equipment, it's too new...

Dave, will you be building the weapons too? ANd mount them on the reload racks (for Bazalt) and launchers?

Hi Roel your point regarding Russian/Soviet codes for Nato weapon and sensor fits, I'm inclined to think that they simply used the existing names and abbreviations. Regarding your suggestion of incorporating the "Bazalt� on the "loader� ready to be inserted into the those giant tubes, well yes I might just do that, seems a novel idea. One item or fitting I really need to see is the "dolly" for ferrying ordinance around the decks. I've never seen one on any photo?
Dave Wooley

A fitting in the making but what?

Dave Wooley

Dave you can give a class on how to scratchbuild large warship. Your fan.

From the off cuts shown all the parts are measured and cut to size as if
in kit form which is to become 1 of 2 �Owl Screech� fire control radars
associated with the 76.2mm twin.


First off the three quarter �disk is folded together to create a �cone� form .

Next the cone is partially filled with fillers. Fillers is also applied to the
outside thus

Pannier boxes are added to each side.

A further box is added to the back

Litho plate which formes the access panel is fitted to each box , latter
small handles are fitted.

The cone form is now cleaned up to create the �dish� form

Brass wire of 0.4mm forming the supports for the feed horn.

Reflector dish and feed horn assembly in place

The assembly almost complete. 0.31mm brass �U� form used to simulate
feed wiring

Stabilizer vanes are fitted into place and the top is capped off.

Owl Screech in place

Owl Screech on Kiev

The main superstructure thus far including Owl Screech atop of the bridge.

Dave Wooley

This level of detail is amazing. It looks great.

Hi Tom Tom Thanks for your kind comments . Incidentally I can't understand why I managed to post twice on the same set of pictures at the same time?
Dave Wooley

You might have double-clicked "Post Reply".

Any way of deleting one of the sets ?
Dave Wooley

For now, you can just edit one of them to remove the text and pictures, and contact one of the Scratchbuild section mods for a deletion.

hmmm...

A masterpiece is coming




Jef

Jefgte wrote:hmmm...

A masterpiece is coming




Jef

Thank you Jef your comments are much appriciated.
Dave Wooley

Fantastic work Dave, she is a real beauty! I will have to use your build as a guide for soldering when it comes time to do my USS Liberty build in 1/192.

Avery Boyer wrote:Fantastic work Dave, she is a real beauty! I will have to use your build as a guide for soldering when it comes time to do my USS Liberty build in 1/192.

Hi Avery Thanks for your kind comments and be my guest, if any of the build sequences help in your new build then it's done its job. Best of luck with the USS Liberty .
Dave Wooley

Amazing work Dave!!