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DUDE!!! AMAZING WORK!!! my head would explode trying to do all that radar stuff

Thank you all for your kind words as I've said before they are much appricated.
Dave Wooley

hiya Dave,
just found this picture on Pilot's site. Unfortunately he only posted one of them, although I think that possibly in the future he will post more. A trainer version Yak:



And of course, amazing work you did! You mention about my salvage tug that you have difficulty even in 1/144! I don't see any evidence to back that up though!!! Great results so far.

One thing I'd like to ask. If you are soldering those masts/brackets, I don't see any material that you melt on it. Do you push the soldering equipment directly on the brass tubes or didn't you put the melting material in there because your other hand was occupied by the camera? I'll need some practice and tips before I start that Udaloy (which will arrive in a few days)

Hi Roel Thanks for sending over the picture of the Yak trainer . I've not seen a picture as good as that one. I'd like to include the trainer in the air group , just for added interest.
As for the soldering , I "tin" the parts first then apply the heat source. I use a variable temperature electronic soldering iron , which is ideal for small items, even PE. For larger jobs I very much like the "pencil" gas torch with a variable flame . The solder is multi core but I'm warming , excuse the pun to solder "paint" but I need more practice on that one. I'm certainly looking forward to your Udaloy project.
Dave Wooley

Dave, I'm glad you are building that model simply because you are giving me some great ideas on how to go about my model when I get that far. One thing I like about reading here is you have a step by step attitude. My dad was a great modeler but he would take it out of my hands and build the part and I was never really the wiser to understand the how you actually make that item. You have done excellent here and keep up to postings. I look forward to you next mini build part of your Kiev project.

I'm finally starting to get some funds together and hope to recommence my model very soon. Don't ya just hate it when your car rego and insurance come in the mail and your bank is overdrawn, but I'm slowly climbing out of that hole I made myself. (How many people get themselves into a similar problem) I have 3 hulls ready for fiberglassing and plan to get stuck into it the easter long weekend here in Sydney. At least its giving me time to think about problems that may occur and how to get around them when I get there.

Looking forward to whats next...

Mick

Hi Mick I'm just pleased that the Kiev build is of help. It's an enjoyable project to work on if not at times a little frustrating . I'm certainly looking forward to you being able to crack on with the Kuztetzov in the near future.
Dave Wooley

[quote="Neptune"]hiya Dave,
just found this picture on Pilot's site. Unfortunately he only posted one of them, although I think that possibly in the future he will post more. A trainer version Yak:

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And of course, amazing work you did! You mention about my salvage tug that you have difficulty even in 1/144! I don't see any evidence to back that up though!!! Great results so far.

One thing I'd like to ask. If you are soldering those masts/brackets, I don't see any material that you melt on it. Do you push the soldering equipment directly on the brass tubes or didn't you put the melting material in there because your other hand was occupied by the camera? I'll need some practice and tips before I start that Udaloy (which will arrive in a few days)[/quote]

Just when you thought the Russky jet couldn't get any uglier...

I look at this project, and I am stunned. My wife would KILL me if I attempted to work in scales this large. She'd look at the pricetag and just deck me right then and there. You guys are sheer outright impressive with your work. I can't believe the detail and the work.. Nice job on the soldering the masts and aerials, they look so nice that way. You do really good work.

Sauragnmon wrote:I look at this project, and I am stunned. My wife would KILL me if I attempted to work in scales this large. She'd look at the pricetag and just deck me right then and there. You guys are sheer outright impressive with your work. I can't believe the detail and the work.. Nice job on the soldering the masts and aerials, they look so nice that way. You do really good work.

Hi Sauragnmon. Interesting point you have regarding "the price tag� this may surprise you but apart from the grp hull, which required some major remedial work. The actual cost of the materials thus far comes to about $50 add on the motors at around $20 x4each, running gear a further $75 and the R/C equipment servos and TX which I already have. So the total cost to date is around $205. I haven't included paint or additional cost as the model progresses, for example the PE for the hand and crash rails, WT doors and finally the air group, which will need to be moulded. So I would estimate that a further $ 200 would be needed, which may be a bit of on the conservative side but $500 complete sounds close to the mark. As ARH would say scratch building has its advantages and cost can be one of them. Then again $500 would go along way with the smaller scales and perhaps buy a number of top quality kits. Thanks also for your kind comments .
Dave Wooley

But Dave, we have seen 1/350 models cost that figuer with P/e and paint. When finished it will be worth over 6 times that price, looking good so far.

ARH wrote:But Dave, we have seen 1/350 models cost that figuer with P/e and paint. When finished it will be worth over 6 times that price, looking good so far.

Hi Ron I guess one of the major differences is the time factor , but then i'm a slow builder anyway . When all said and done the base line is enjoyment of the build, it still gives me a buzz .
Dave Wooley

Scratch building the AK 630 CIWS Part 1.
Unlike the Phalanx the Soviet AK 630 was fitted to Soviet warship
in large numbers and the Kiev was no exception . Perhaps moulding
would have been a better choice but it's the pattern that takes the
time The basic materials required are few and scratch building
the remainder was a relatively straight forward exercise and was worth
considering as a less expensive alternative to resin moulding .

The Soviet AK 630 CIWS as fitted to the Gremyashchiy.

Tools required

Scribing out the bases for the turrets and mountings with the aid of
a compass cutter.

Using the tube cutter to form the circular turrets and mounting base.

Forming the raised top of the turret .

Marking out the position on the base ring of the vertical slanted ribs
surrounding the mounting.

Multiple parts for four AK 630s prepared and ready to assemble

Part 2 to follow
Dave Wooley

hi david
you must have the patience of a saint
gary

For ease of construction the gun mounting consists of two bases both
0.5 mm or 10thou thick, . As in this photo the smaller of the two bases
allows the slopped sides to be formed using fillers.

Each gun mounting has slopping sides these have been formed using fillers and
sanded down using wet and dry .

The second base ring is fitted into place . Note the marks around the edge as shown earlier .

Each of the vertical ribs are set into place corresponding to the marks on the base.

The top surface of the mounting is fitted

A section of the turret is removed to allow for the fitting of the trunnion .

The trunnion �shape� if fitted into the turret .

Progress thus far .

The separate turret top is rounded to shape and fitted .

The turret is mounted on the base

The AK630 with barrel fitted

Five AK 630 almost completed .Five more to go .

Two AK 630s temporarily in place.

The AK 630 fitted to Kiev forward on the port side sponson.

Using this simple method allows for any scale to be contenplated
Dave Wooley

I had been taken to school !

Wonderful!



Happy modeling
Jo�o

Hi Dave, very uniform and crisp work! Can you tell me about your circle cutting tool that you used for those styrene disks? Is it just a compass with a blade or is it purchased?

Mike

Mike Glasgow wrote:Hi Dave, very uniform and crisp work! Can you tell me about your circle cutting tool that you used for those styrene disks? Is it just a compass with a blade or is it purchased?

Mike

Hi Mike The "compass Cutter" is produced as such for craft work and was available at one of the model shows. It will cut any circular shape from 15mm diameter up to 125mm.
Dave Wooley

Thanks for posting those close shots of your tools. I have learned a lot from all the builds here. I saw the name Olfa on the compass cutter after a second look and found their website. How thick of styrene have you cut with that compass cutter?

I like the method & the quality of the work.

All turrets are identical ...Bravo l' Artist




Jef